Progress of sorts

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I haven't been doing much of anything on my layout since I last posted because I waiting to get something useful out of 3rd Planit and still deciding what part of the Northeast corridor to depict on my layout. I do know what I'd like to do but whether it fits on the layout is another matter.

If you've seen the third iteration of my benchwork plan, you'll understand some of my recent thinking. If you haven't I'll give the link for it below.

I want to be able to provide long runs between staging yards. One will go along the right wall and I am thinking of adding a second level about 18" above this one so I can have another above it. Both will be stub ended yards. The lower one will also have some kind of car float service so that I can have an interchange with off-layout area. Basically what will happen is that freight cars will be loaded on a car float and that car float will then be transfers to below the layout storage and another car float from that storage area will arrive and unload new cars to the layout for latter distribution to various industries along the tracks or to the yard at the other end for transfer to another railroad. That may require the use of a cassette system but I haven't thought it out fully yet.

The introduction of another level does present me with a problem and that is getting the trains to and from the upper level. The only solution is to have a helix but I am not so thrilled with the idea as it would require that I build one that would have moderately broad curves and not to steep a grade as well. It will also swallow alot of space to go up 18" inches. Using a 3% grade a train would climb 3" for every 100" in distance. Therefore the train would have to climb 18" in 600" of space and that would mean I would need 50 feet of track in the helix. Of course I could have the train climb part of that distance along the layout itself before it reaches the helix but exactly who that would help still requires some examination. (I'm open to ideas here, folks.)

I haven't just been thinking. I've been reading too. Last night I started reading a book about the THe New York Connecting Railroad. This was joint undertaking of the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New Haven that allowed the two railroads to connect from Sunnyside Yard in Queens via the Hellgate Bridge to the Bronx. Sunyside Yard was a terminus of freight traffic from New Jersey by way of a freight tunnel that ran past Penn Station in Manhattan and under the East River. Form there the freight cars would be picked up and moved to the Hellgate Bridge to a connection with the New Haven. THis system was taken over by Conrail in 1976. I don't think this is used used anymore since Sunnyside Yard is primarily used by Long Island Railroad and Amtrak trains nowadays. Freight still goes across the Hellgate Bridge however but it doesn't come from Sunnyside yard anymore.

I don't know exactly what I am going to do but I suspect that what I am reading about is going to give me the kind of information that will prove very useful for me in coming up with a workable trackplan.

Irv


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Car Floats

DesertRat's picture

The Car Float  to storage idea is excellent... The ferrys could roll over a water surface made in any of the normal ways..


Car Floats

corsair7's picture

They won't have to roll over anything. they'll just slide out and go into under the layout storage shelves. That's how I'll get cars off and on the layout.

Here's a map I found on page 11 in The New York Connecting Railroad: Long Island's Other Raolroad by Robert G. Sturm and William G. Thom. This is pretty much what I intend to do on my layout but I will add industries to service as well.

Please note that carfloat service wil be between Greenville, NJ and Bay Ridge, NY. It still exists though it is not run by CSX.

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There is a book "Freight

DesertRat's picture

There is a book "Freight Trains and Terminals" from about 1925 republished a couple of years ago that has some good info about operation of car floats in the NYC area. I believe the authors name was John Droege.

Powells Books in Portland Oregon list what I think is a reprint of the second edition. Pub in 2007...28$ for soft cover. I have a 10 year old reprint with a forward by John Armstrong that I paid about 2x that.  Great book if you are modeling early 20th century heavy RRs.


Freight Operations

corsair7's picture

I am modeling the Conrail era so those books wouldn't help much. The tracks shown on the map are still being used by CSX and Amtrak (from Sunny side thru Oak Point) ao I really don't have to do much to it. Of course most of the run is no longer electrified as far as I know.

Irv


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