Advice for wiring reversing section(s)

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I'm just getting back into model railroading after too long of an absence, and to get a jumpstart I picked up an old 4x6 ft N scale layout a gentleman was selling at a garage sale... nice layout, nearly 20 switches, came with over 2 dozen cars which I've been cleaning and retrofitting with Micro-line trucks/couplers.  I did N scale with my dad over 25 years ago, so it's nice to be getting back into it (now that I have a son).  The wiring is rather messy and I'm going to be redoing it, but I've run into a snag regarding the best way to handle some reversing sections at the end of a dogbone.

Here is a schematic image of the area in question as it's laid out:

 Small schematic diagram of dogbone layout

 In a more straightline schematic, it looks like this:

Straightline schematic of dogbone loop with reversing sections 

Turnouts are the numbered circles, and the track segments marked with the letters A-D in diamonds are the reversing sections. If you enter the loop through turnout 5 and take segment B, for example, you'll loop counterclockwise until you reach turnout 8 and then can either take segment C to leave the loop "normally" or can take segment D for a reverse.  The overall effect is nice because you can enter the loop on either track, loop either direction, and come out normally or reversed.  

The problem is that segments A & B, which would be the reversing sections if you go clockwise around the loop, are very short -- maybe 16 inches at best -- while segments C & D are over twice that and would be much closer to a "train-length".  I'm not totally sure what the right approach is to block these to create more usable reversing sections.  Complicated wiring doesn't bother me providing it leads to easier (and flexible) operation.

The track and turnouts are all Atlas Code 80 sectional stuff (which is getting a good workover with a Bright Boy!), if that matters.  I'll be having to replace the switch controllers for the turnouts and the block switches (it's set up for 2 cab operation, which I want to keep), and may incorporate some "smart logic" to do route controlling for easier operation.    Any and all suggestions and ideas will be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!

BJ Backitis




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The "train length" you need

The "train length" you need to be concerned about is in reality the "locomotive length". If the shortest sections are longer than the longest loco(s) you'll run through them, you're good to go. Isolate with insulated rail joiners; regular block wiring with the Atlas #220 reversing controller should work fine.




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Rolling stock wheels make a difference!
FriscoKid wrote:
The "train length" you need to be concerned about is in reality the "locomotive length". If the shortest sections are longer than the longest loco(s) you'll run through them, you're good to go. ...

Uhhh.... Be careful here! It all depends on the kind of wheels your rolling stock has!

If they are plastic (non-conductive) and will always be so then you probably need only be concerned about the longest locomotive. If, however, you have any metal wheels you need to be very careful!

Remember each wheel will be in contact with both adjacent blocks when they pass over the join. Even if it will be for a very brief moment, it can still cause problems. And if you have some passenger cars that pick up juice from the rails for lighting, well...

All of this presumes you are using DC. If you are going to use DCC then it becomes much more straight forward.


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Bryan C
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My bad...
Right you are, Bryan - when I saw he was using "Micro-line" trucks, I thought it said Micro-Trains (not conductive methinks) .. good catch.


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If using resistive

If using resistive wheel-sets for block detection, the same issue will arise.

Depending on the actual layout, maybe you could cut the rails (both of them) between 2&3 and again between 7&8, giving an isolated block between 2&7 that could then be wired as the reverse section.

A, B, C, & D are all parallel routes, as are both routes between 2 & 7, so you shouldn't have a problem... just make sure the line off 1 is wired into the 2-7 block.


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Actually, MY Bad...
I did mean "Micro Trains"... with the magnematic couplers and (yes) nonconductive wheels.  For some reason, I get stuck calling it "Micro-Lines" because the box the cars come in say "Micro Trains Line" and somehow that middle word just doesn't register!! Embarassed


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Thank you all for your comments

Thanks very much for your comments and advice... I like the idea of having the loop itself being the reversing section, that seems a lot more straightforward to wire and control.   And it's good to know that the "train-length" is just considering the engines... no lit passenger cars or block detection stuff to worry about (not on this layout, anyway).

As for DCC, that is a whole separate topic for another forum area!  Of all things, that is the part of railroading that is entirely new to me but of the most interest... I'm just not sure I can justify the additional cost for this small of a layout.




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Watch for Metal Wheels!
bjbackitis wrote:
 ... And it's good to know that the "train-length" is just considering the engines... no lit passenger cars or block detection stuff to worry about (not on this layout, anyway).
But you still need to be careful of metal wheels!Wink
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Cheers!

Bryan C
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Gotcha!

Duly noted... I'll check to see but since most (if not all) of the cars are getting retrofitted to Micro-TRAIN couplers with non-conductive wheels, this should be less of a concern.  There is only one (a nice Con-Cor cupola caboose) where the couplers are body-mounted, not truck mounted, and I think those wheels are metal... that one I'll have to fix.

Thanks!!




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