Power supplies

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I have a pile of old PC power supplier laying around... These generally have at least 10amps available of +12V, and 20amps of +5V, all nicely regulated and filtered... Would it be plausible to use multiples of these around a layout to power things?... as boosters to a common bus? Since most lighting is done with LED's, a resistor change would allow use of the +5V for this purpose... I'm sure other ancillary tasks could be designed to take advantage of +5V also... Any thoughts on this?
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Re:Power supplies
Absolutely! They're a great source of smooth filtered power. In fact I have 'em on my desks at home *and* at work wired up for experimentation. There are a few caveats, though. To get more recent ones (the ones which can be switched by the motherboard) to turn on, you'll have to tie the green wire on the motherboard connector to one of the black wires, either through a switch or just solder them together and use the wall power to turn them off and on. Switching power supplies have a minimum current they need to stay on. Usually you have to draw at least half an amp, sometimes as much as an amp and a half, from the main +5v power supply to keep 'em running consistently. Either a decent incandescent lightbulb (4 cell flashlight battery), or a big honkin' 8 to 10 ohm resistor (appropriately sized, that's several watts so one of those ceramic 25 watt bricks that Radio Shack sells, and watch out for heat!) between a black and a red cable will do good things for you. Switching power supplies also work by charging a capacitor and then sampling that charge, adjusting the input based on how charged the capacitor is. Switched loads, especially with EMF and similar back currents like motors have, can confuse that sampling and cause the power supply to decide that it's in a panic stage and shut off or do other things inappropriate to smooth power. If you're driving motors larger than fairly small (ie: the sorts of motors you'd scrounge out of old disk drives or CPU fans) put a diode in series with the motor, and consider a mid-sized capacitor across the motor leads. And I wouldn't suggest 'em for driving solenoid based switch motors (I think they'd *rock* for the Tortoises, though!). I have actually successfully driven a fairly large NEMA23 sized stepper motor and a Via EPIA motherboard (that booted off of CompactFlash) off of the same power supply, but there were some occasional glitches which I now think may have been power related. Of course for a hobbiest home board if your motor control PC reboots occasionally it's no big deal, for a commercial product it's a show-stopper.


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Re:Power supplies
My initial line of thinking was; if they where spaced around a main bus, and each had a reasonable sized capacitor to shield them from momentry high draws, and the fact that any local short fall in supply would be made up by neighboring supplies on the bus, you should have a fairly robust supply system... Any flaws with this line of thinking?
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Re:Power supplies
Bryan wrote:
My initial line of thinking was; if they where spaced around a main bus
Are you really drawing enough power to warrant multiple supplies? And, if so, do you have enough voltage drop to warrant spacing those supplies? If so, then maybe the problem is that you're not running thick enough power cable.


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Re:Power supplies
danlyke wrote:
Are you really drawing enough power to warrant multiple supplies?
Probably not, but I have old PC power supplies on hand and was thinking it would cover all future eventualities... it also gives some redundancy if one of the old units takes a dive while your having fun running trains around... On your second point; maybe having multiple supplies that are spaced out would lessen the requirement for as heavy a cable in the bus? less cable cost, and using up supplies on hand...
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