An Question that Requires Illumination...

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Okay fellers,

 Surely there must have been mass-marketed, user-friendly advancements in model railroad structure illumination since my father's layout where he cannibalized Xmas lights from a string set? 

 I started with the notion that I might try the same with today's relatively cheap yet powerful Xmas LED sets (some, now with that warm yellow glow rather than the garish white-blue intensity of über-LED power unleashed.) But as my not-quite-the-chip-off-the-old-man's-electronic-engineer hands attempted to repeat history... poof! LED burn out. 

Apparently the manufacturers had done some fancy amp/resistor calculation and their LEDS don't like being separated from their brethren. Not to mention I am too dumb and impatient to do the calculations required to figure out how much cash I want to short out in numerous trips to radio shack... bent like a recurring wino over the rolling trays of delicate electronics LEDs, lights, and resistors which I can't seem to wait to bring home and burn out.

So I'm back to the joys of simple grain-of-wheat-lights, grain-of-rice-lights, grain-of-couscous-lights, and grain-of-farina-lights, that all wait patiently for me to install and scene before burning out with a (I swear) snicker of delight.

TELL ME someone has developed a way for the non-electronically-engineer to light his modest buildings and such. The closest I have come is bashing a given Radio Shack panel light ( an LED with built in resistor sans its plastic lens coverer) great for small outdoor building lamps but not useful for internal structure lighting.

Has any manufacturer wizened up to the advantages of mass marketing E-Z- LED lighting for the rest of us electronic mooks...?

I fear I'm ignorant in more than this. (Damn... there goes another grain-of-wheat)

Your help is appreciated!  

— Mister Mahoney, Curator

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MisterMahoney
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Well lookie...

Well lookie what I found on the web...

http://www.modeltrainsoftware.com/ledlights1.html

Any other solutions?

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Re: A Question...

There has been some wonderful threads dealing with combing LEDs and fiber optics presented here recently. Some of the results shown are absolutely fantastic.

 


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I felt your pain.....
MisterMahoney wrote:

Okay fellers,

 Surely there must have been mass-marketed, user-friendly advancements in model railroad structure illumination since my father's layout where he cannibalized Xmas lights from a string set? 

 I started with the notion that I might try the same with today's relatively cheap yet powerful Xmas LED sets (some, now with that warm yellow glow rather than the garish white-blue intensity of über-LED power unleashed.) But as my not-quite-the-chip-off-the-old-man's-electronic-engineer hands attempted to repeat history... poof! LED burn out. 

Apparently the manufacturers had done some fancy amp/resistor calculation and their LEDS don't like being separated from their brethren. Not to mention I am too dumb and impatient to do the calculations required to figure out how much cash I want to short out in numerous trips to radio shack... bent like a recurring wino over the rolling trays of delicate electronics LEDs, lights, and resistors which I can't seem to wait to bring home and burn out.

So I'm back to the joys of simple grain-of-wheat-lights, grain-of-rice-lights, grain-of-couscous-lights, and grain-of-farina-lights, that all wait patiently for me to install and scene before burning out with a (I swear) snicker of delight.

TELL ME someone has developed a way for the non-electronically-engineer to light his modest buildings and such. The closest I have come is bashing a given Radio Shack panel light ( an LED with built in resistor sans its plastic lens coverer) great for small outdoor building lamps but not useful for internal structure lighting.

Has any manufacturer wizened up to the advantages of mass marketing E-Z- LED lighting for the rest of us electronic mooks...?

I fear I'm ignorant in more than this. (Damn... there goes another grain-of-wheat)

Your help is appreciated!  

— Mister Mahoney, Curator

The Dingmans Falls & Delaware Railroad Company

 http://kd4.net/df&d

  

I too was fed up with "grain-o-wheat" hell, and went looking for a better solution.  And it is exactly what you are looking for.  You can buy the LEDs from a number of different sources on the internet.  I like the golden white varieties sold by Richmond Controls.  $1.50 each.  For 12-16VDC, typical of most power pack accessory outputs, a 1/2 watt, 1k ohm resistor gives a nice bright output along with a life span longer than you and me......  The resistors you can buy at Radio Shack (or a zillion internet sites) for pennies....

I have also been doing some experimenting with fiber optics, and have been quite happy with the results.  Exterior building lights, street lights, even vehicle head lights.  All using small fiber optics glued into holes drilled in LED lenses.  Better explanations of the "what and how" if you check out the threads (I think there are three) in the "buildings and scenery" forum.  If all you want to do is "light up" interiors, the LEDs are definitely a cheaper and much more dependable alternative to incandescents.  The 5mm diameter LED is a good selection.  Very bright, as well as enough room to drill a hole that will hold 4-6 .5mm fibers.  What is neat about this solution is you get a completely lit interior from the LED, and multiple, scale size lights on the exterior, all from one light......




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Not to pick nits, but you

Not to pick nits, but you can't buy any components at Radio Shack for pennies.  Their markup is unbelieveable.  Last time I checked (a few months ago) resistors were $2.99 for a pack of 5!  Still, if you only need one or two, that may be cheaper than paying shipping, and you won't end up with 98 0r 99 leftovers!  Laughing

 


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Need to Know

 I am new to LEDs, but would like to use them to illuminate a set of passenger cars. I contacted Richmond Controls and they recommended a kit that costs $35 per car, and I don't think that includes the metal wheels or axle wipers. Moreover, the kit would have to be modified.

 My question is, if I just buy the LEDs, what else do I need besides the axle wipers and metal insulated wheels? Also, what sort of electrical connection do I make between the axle wipers and the LED?


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Some resistance
steam-n wrote:

I am new to LEDs, but would like to use them to illuminate a set of passenger cars. I contacted Richmond Controls and they recommended a kit that costs $35 per car, and I don't think that includes the metal wheels or axle wipers. Moreover, the kit would have to be modified.

My question is, if I just buy the LEDs, what else do I need besides the axle wipers and metal insulated wheels? Also, what sort of electrical connection do I make between the axle wipers and the LED?

A basic installation would also require a resistor to reduce the voltage to the LEDS - here's a useful link: http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz




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I don't know if this
I don't know if this establishment has branches in the US but here in Canada I get my supplies from www.active123.com anything from micro toggles to led's resistors circuit boards photo etching chemicals solder and wire, heat shrink, you name it they have it for allot less than what you'll pay at Radio shack.


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Not....
ranulf wrote:

Not to pick nits, but you can't buy any components at Radio Shack for pennies.  Their markup is unbelieveable.  Last time I checked (a few months ago) resistors were $2.99 for a pack of 5!  Still, if you only need one or two, that may be cheaper than paying shipping, and you won't end up with 98 0r 99 leftovers!  Laughing

I guess I'm not sure what part of the world you live in, but in mid-America, Radio Shack sells these resistors for 99 cents per pack of five (not to nit pick, mind you).  If you read my post carefully you will also have seen that I stated you could buy them at "a zillion sites" on the internet.  I truly don't understand the point of your post..........  Bottom line, as stated previously, the LED is a cheap and much more dependable solution for building illumination than incandescents.

Another poster was inquiring about illuminating passenger cars, and unfortunately I can shed no light (sorry......) on this subject.  The LED is obviously the easy part.  The point of "interest" is how to get power to it with trucks (and wheels) not designed to transmit power....... 




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Let there be light...
kerry wrote:

...Another poster was inquiring about illuminating passenger cars, and unfortunately I can shed no light (sorry......) on this subject.  The LED is obviously the easy part.  The point of "interest" is how to get power to it with trucks (and wheels) not designed to transmit power....... 

IMHO opinion there are three issues here:

  • collecting track power
  • transferring power from 'outside' the car to 'inside'
  • building the the actual physical lighting

I am in the process of this project as well; part of the overall program is replacing the substandard wheels with FVM 36" wheels. This, along with Richmond Controls wipers (need to order yet) should solve the collection problem.

On my Rivarossi cars the second (electricity in to car) is taken care of by design; metal screw holds truck, wiper attached to screw. Metal post insode car is now live. So I can string my wiring between these posts.

Building the specific lighting I have not even contemplated yet; capability and set up were the first priority, as the wheels are getting changed either way.  Any advice is welcome, and Michael's link may come in handy!

Dennis

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Another Lighting Question
Is the light output of LEDs necessarily constant? It seems to me that I read somewhere that a capacitor is used to make the light constant.
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Two reasons it would not be:

1. Using DC - you would need to make allowances for changing voltage.

 2. Breaks in contact with power - if your loses contact with the track (insulated gaps, dirt, etc.) the lights could flicker. I'm not convinced that spending serious amounts and/or fitting the capacitor and such is really necessary Find out soon though!

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For basic info on LEDs......

......and other things electrical, check out the Electronics Club:

http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/index.htm

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The problems with lighting...

....rolling stock from track power can be easily eliminated.  Use a battery installation. One 9 volt battery can light an entire string of passenger cars with LEDs.  The battery can be installed in a baggage/mail/express car at the head end and wired to all the cars.  One on/off switch would control the lights in all the cars, and could be disguised as a manual brake wheel or something else.

Constant voltage, no flicker, no cranky wipers, no dirty wheel lighting problems, easier installation, and et cetera.

Moose


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