Atlas VO-1000 generation question

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Can anyone out there tell me if the Atlas VO-1000,  product # 150-50002, is the first generation Korean, or the second generation Chinese version?   I've found and internet sale, and do not want to repeat what was pointed out in another recent thread. 

A few companion questions are, if not this unit, what is a good quality/price compromise make/model/paint-scheme N switcher that is appropriate for ATSF in the early 50s?   Or is this generation Atlas VO-1000 likely to be as good as it gets for the foreseeable future? 




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I can't speak to the Atlas VO-1000, but I do like the Kato NW2.  Looks good, runs well.  With my small layout, I only need 1 switcher (so far), but I'd like to see comments on the Atlas VO-1000 also.
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I think you might be
I think you might be referring to my thread.  I can only really complain about having to install the handrails, because the locomotive is a pretty smooth running machine.  After break in it quieted down, and I'm not sure if either I don't have a refined enough ear or what, but the guy on the loco encyclopedia said it was WAY loud, and it's not at all.  I just hate having to fiddle with hair thin plastic bits and glue.  It creeps just fine and pulls pretty good.  If you don't mind putting on the details, it's a great loco.  Still, I wish I would have gotten the Chinese one just for that fact as I didn't do the best job in installing the handrails.


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I agree with b7g

  I am NOT a big fan of installing handrails on N-scale locomotives!!!!!!!!!!! I hate it, I hate it, and I HATE IT!!!!!! If a loco is going to be sold as RTR, then it NEEDS to have the hand rails INSTALLED!!!!!!! My peepers aren't good enough to do that for one thing, and my hand to eye cordination is not good enough. I have been eyeing the VO-1000 for some time now. Seems there is even a drop in decoder available for the VO's. Hmmmmmmmm do I see a Tiger Striped SP VO-1000 in the future???

Jacko 

 




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To be a little more
To be a little more helpful, my korean-made UP VO-1000 is #51030, and it says the 50XXX series has step guards while the 51XXX do not. I do not know if this answers the korea vs china question however. It's pretty easy if you have it in front of you. Does it have hand rails on it already? If so, snag it. It's Chinese. As far as a different loco? I originally wanted a kato UP NW2, but since no one seems to have one in UP right now, I thought I'd get my atlas VO-1000 instead. I still like my baldwin, but I kinda wish I'd waited and gotten the Kato, or at least made sure I had gotten the Chinese baldwin. Just my two cents. The kato NW2 is the tiger stripe scheme in SP, btw. Kato is selling them on their own website right now, http://www.katousa.com/Zcart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65_78_84&products_id=222


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VO-1000's

 Thanks B7g....................I knew that about the Kato NW-2's. I just happen to like the VO-1000's better. SP musta liked em pretty well too! It seems SP bought a good number of them and then they got Baldwin S-12's too. I remember as a kid seeing VO-1000's working and in Tiger Stripes. I like the sound of a Baldwin, more of a chugging sound when they run, sort of like crossing a John Deere tractor with a 2-10-2 steam locomotive. Now BLW shows that they have some in Tiger stripe. IF they are without hand rails, I DO NOT WANT ONE!

Jacko 




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I really wish the Kato NW2
I really wish the Kato NW2 came in the zebra strype scheme...I'd prefer it, without a doubt.


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I think we read the same
I think we read the same review...that is what got me woondering if the 150-50002 was a Korean or Chinese version.  To be honest, at this point I doubt if I'd even mount the railings if they did not come installed....one less thing for me to break...LOL


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I wish I did have one in
I wish I did have one in front of me to look at, but this is on a holiday web sale, and of course when I tried calling to ask, they are closed for the holiday Undecided 


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patience has no virtue

if at all possible, WAIT!  And ask.  :D  I wish I had asked.  I'm not even sure they changed the model numbers from the korean version to the chinese version.  I know how hard it is to wait when you have the gottahavits.  :)  Like I say though, I am still 89% pleased with my Vo.  If I had all the small hand tools you need for handrail installation, it would be 100%. 

 

Jacko-  I like the tiger stripe, too.  I need to do some more research on the Espee so as to see if it wouldn't be too weird to include a couple locos.  I already own two kato closed hoppers in SP markings, but rolling stock prolificity and loco proloficity are obviously two different animals.  But now I'm just thread jacking...   :P  Back on topic....  :) 




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Patience, WHAT'S that??

  B7gwap, it sounds like you are modeling UP. Ok, in my home town of Portland Oregon, UP and SP used to exchange cars all the time. That is of course before UP gobbled up the SP. VO's were very handy at things like transfer runs. It is very possible that VO's could and did do some transfer runs from Brookland yard up to Albina yard (UP). THERE is your prototype justification for a couple tiger stripe VO's.

Jacko 




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Update

Wellllll, I went ahead and ordered it, even though by then I'd pretty much determined that it is likely to be the Korean version.  Why?  A few reasons.........

  • Even in the critical review, overall it was given a B rating....which to me is still slightly better than average.
  • The railings are not that big of a deal to me...if it turns out they are excessively daunting, I'll not be upset if they are left off until I feel comfortable attacking them.  I am definitely not a rivit counter (though there is nothing wrong with that, for the people that it works for).
  • The lack of any other early 50s SF switcher in the period paint scheme...from what I have been able to find, there are no Chinese release SF Zebra stripe units.
  • The price....about 18% less than I could find anywhere else for the same model...and about 45% off of list.

Hopefully I do not end up regretting it too badly.  Regardless, I'll try to remember to give an update once I get it, and have a few hours break-in running on it.




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Zandoz wrote:
 
  • The lack of any other early'50s SF switcher in the period paint scheme...from what I have been able to find, there are no Chinese release SF Zebra stripe units.

I share your pain.  I've had a Kato NW-2 and an Atlas GP-7 repainted to black w/zebra stripes.  It's too bad that new releases from good manufacturers don't always consider the '50's early diesels (except for F7's).  I'm too much of a newbie to have old releases, and I refuse to buy untested stuff on the Auction Site.


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Another update

Well, the # 150-50002 is definitely not one of the newer Chinese versions....separate railings.  Except for the railings, my first look at the unit was favorable. I set up an 11"r  circle of Unitrack to test it out.  Yes, it was a bit loud...but not the coffee grinder I was expecting based on the reviews I'd read.  After about 3 hours of running forward and reverse, at varying speeds, it quieted down considerably.  At the end of the 3 hours, the slow speed running seems pretty good...just under 3 minutes to complete the 11"r circle without stalling.

For a comparison, I then ran my previously broke in Kato F3.  The F3 is quieter, but not by enough to embarrass the little VO-1000...and the little switcher runs much much better at slow speed.  The F3's minimum no stall speed was close to double the VO-1000.

All in all, I'm happy with it so far.




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Update

  I was in my LHS on Friday and looked at a new VO-1000. It was in the NC&Sl flavor, and ALL the handrails were installed. A very nice model indeed.

Jacko 




b7gwap
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"I can't get no...." :D

I'm glad you like your new VO, Zandoz.  And they do creep pretty well, don't they?  Did you decide to try your hand at installing the handrails?  The biggest problem I ran into was the pegs were slightly too big for the holes in the frame.  I mean we're talking hair thin here, and I don't have any precision drill bits THAT small.  Any pictures of your new switch hog? 

 

Jacko-  What railroad is NC&SI?   




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Who was the NC&Sl

   Well B7gw, the NC&Sl was the Nashville Chattanooga & Saint Louis RR. I was owned by the L&N but it was a neat little RR (well 1200+) miles of track somebody please correct me on this It had a wide variety of steam power including some 4-8-4's. Of course in the South you couldn't very well call them "Northerns". They were called Dixie Class or Yellow Jackets as they had a yellow stripe along the running boards. All the steamers I have seen pic of show them with a cap on their stacks. Quite attractive actually. They even had Russian Decopods complete with a capped stack. Neat power!

Jacko 




Zandoz
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No, I'm not likely to
No, I'm not likely to attempt the handrail installation for a long time...my skill level is nowhere near ready for anything that fine yet.  Someday, maybe.  But for now it's just fine as is, especially seeing that they sell versions without the haindrails anyway.   Sorry, no pics. No camera, and I've never taken an in focus pic in my life...LOL.  For now the little switcher has been returned to it's jewel case, awaiting the day when the layout is ready for it's services.


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I have the old VO's and I
I have the old VO's and I liked them.  No problem with handrails.


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