Designing a layout

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I've read alot of books and srticles about this topic but few really let you know what you are in for if you have never done it before. And even then one doesn't know what one will come up with.

I do know what I want on my layout and do know what space I have for and I do know what the bebchwork will most likely by. But what I don't know is how to fit a trackplan to that benchwork that will allow me to do both continous running and operations.

So where should I start given that I already know how to fit the continuous run track onto the layout?

Irv

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Corsair7, This sounds
Corsair7,

This sounds like your first layout. If true, then I do have some advice for ya. TAKE YOUR TIME. There is nothing worse then getting half way into something and ripping it all out beaue of a planning mistake.

If this is your first attempt at a layout, I would suggest you try something REALLY small first. Maybe a simple switching layout that is only a could of feet long and a foot wide. You can hone yous skills in track laying, switch installation, wiring, soldering, scenery all at the same time as you plan your dream layout.

You are using a computer, so I am going to assume you have some comuter chops. Check out XtrakCad. It is a free cad program for track layout design. It is difficult to use at first.... but again take your time. The advantage is if it works in Xtrak it will likely work when you start laying track and since you don't yet have experience under your belt, it is a good way to check your work.

This is a discussion that could go on for hours and hours, so I will let other chime in... but my advice is TAKE YOUR TIME and START SMALL. You won't be sorry.

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Designing Layouts

Everything Clarence said is true.  Designing a good layout involves knowing something about the prototype, something about the model, and a good bit of heart.

A friend of mine has written a good primer to layout design that takes a little different approach then most, but it works.  You can give it a look here.  It only takes a few minutes to read, and it should get the creative juices flowing.

Another site that I've learned a lot from is the Layout Design Special Interest Group.  Lots of good "sink your teeth into" stuff there.

Also, Clarence suggested looking at XtrakCad as a design tool.  It is, as he says, a powerful tool, but it also has a steep learning curve.  A less powerful tool that is also a lot easier to use is the Atlas RTS program.  The flex track tool takes some getting used to, but it works quite well once you get the hang of it.  The rest is very straightforward.  Of course, as an Atlas product, you only can use Atlas track with the tool, but thats OK since you can swap in your favorite brand of track when you go to build it provided the dimentions you figured to begin with are correct.

Lastly, I have a few links to some layout plan sites that will further stir your creative melting pot.  Not all of these plans are necessarily good, but the parts can be.  Reading the above links will help you determine the usable from the trash.  Also, it's pretty easy to make a plan smaller then your space grow to fit your area, but shrinking a plan is much tougher.  Best of all is when you custom make a plan for your space.  I mean, why build someone elses dream (plan) when you can build your own?  That being said.......

http://carendt.com/

http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/shelf-layout.htm

http://andrews-trains.fotopic.net/

http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/

And here's a few I've done myself or wth friends.  Some are better then others, and some never really got fully developed.  http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j319/pcarrell/Track%20Plans/




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By the way...(Smile).. My
By the way...(Smile).. My name is Sean. The quote is from Clarence the angel without wings in It's a Wonderful Life.
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Oh.....

My bad!

Sorry!




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Not my first layout

It's not my first layout, but I haven't had one since 1987. So in effect I am starting with a blanck sheet of paper. And I am starting slow., but I am taking some shortcuts from what I had previously done.

The first shortcut is using Woodland Scenics Mod-U-Rail modules. This way I don't need to bother so much with plywood sheets and cutting them to fit the may needs. The modules are mostly made of foam and so are lightweight. They are also not that difficult to put together. They probably cost more than other alternatives but I figure I will only need to buy them once. The light weight is necessary since I will most likely need to do everything myself since I don't know of other N-Scalers in my neighborhood and the club I belong to is in Brooklyn and meets at Floyd Bennett Field.

I still have virtually every piece of N-Scale equipment and track I have ever bought and a few new items as well. For example I'll be incorporating DCC from day one so the wiring will be simpler but I am sure that may change as I may need reversing sections.

Your advice is helpful so I say many thanks.

Irv


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DCC reversloops are WAY
DCC reverse loops are WAY easy.  Double gap it and add a reversing module.  4 wires... your done.  There are some things to keep in mind.. loop needs to be as long as your longest train etc... but it is usually much easier then DC.
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Irv, I am not sure exactly

Irv,
 
I am not sure exactly what you mean by "do both continuous running and operations."  Do you mean that you want to have a train(s) running on a continuous loop of some sort, while you do yard, switching and point to point operations?
 
If you really go whole hog on DCC you I suspect you could incorporate automatic block control that keeps the continuous operating train from running into your point to point operations.  Which might be an interesting thing to do just the same.  A yard could be kept isolated from the mains like the prototype seems to do.
 
Have fun!
Charles




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DCC Reverse Loops

It sounds easy. I know I had a heck of a time doing it in DC in the old days especially without stalling the train or shorting out the layout. Embarassed And yes I did use gaps and switches to reverse the current.

Irv


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Continuous running and operations

I didn't mean at the same time. I meant I wanted to have a train or two run around the layout when I had company or follow some operating scheme with pickups, setouts, and making up and breaking down and sorting cars in a yard.

The easy part is letting a train run around the layout because the way the track plan is set up, it can be done.

The hard part is setting up different industries and track leads to service them without interupting anything else.

Irv


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Continuous runs

  Sean, just to satisfy MY criousity, what is YOUR favorite reversing module? How satisfied are you with it as regards Current Capy, and reliability, and it's cost?

Pat

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So far Jacko, I have only
So far Jacko, I have only used one type in my last layout. I had two MRC units. They worked like a charm. One took care of my helix which was one big reversing loop depending on how you exited it... The other was in my turntable pit track. Both worked like a charm with no problems. I had NO sound decoders. In my new layout (had to move and take the old layout down) I will be trying out a PM42 from Digitrax. We shall see!!
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PM-42

What is a PM-42?

Irv


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Reversing modules

  I will be most interested in hearing your comments about the PM-42. DCC makes life sooooooo much easier than analog does. In my HO days I remember having to stop throw a toggle switch I have wired as a reversing switch, then start rolling again.......What a Pain in the aspirin! I have been fairly pleased with the Digitrax decoders I have used (DN163A0) for my Atlas SD-7's. They have a cut-out through the decoder boards to accomendate the motor tabs. Good stuff!

Jacko 




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