Bashing a 68' wood, open platform coach

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I have had a couple requests to do a "tutorial" of sorts on how I bashed my 68-70' wood-side coaches.  I had originally done one 4-1/2 years ago but, most of it got lost during one of the changes this forum underwent.  I found bits and pieces of it and am endeavoring to rehabilitate it.  Following is how I built the coaches.  Hope it is of some use to some of you.  I'm "bumping" this up to see if the changes I've made so far work.  I'll contnue on each section soon. 

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The manufacturers do a great job providing freight equipment of most eras but, there are huge gaps when it comes to passenger equipment. I wanted some older wood coaches for my B&M steam to pull but, the only things available are those not so great Bachmann old timers, the 36' MDC Overtons, and the 50' MDC Overtons. I bought a pair of the latter though they were not what I really wanted but, close examination convinced me the desired 68 footer could be had with a few judicious cuts, some sanding, etc and......... it worked. My methods may seem unorthodox to some of you but, they worked for me.  After trying to remove the paint from just one car, I abandoned that idea.  I found that a couple of coats of Poly S covered the original just fine.  The car will end up being about 70', a little longer than the B&M prototype I wanted to do but, acceptable to me in N scale.  It was the "effect" I was after.  You will need the following items:

2 MDC/Athearn 50' Overland coaches.  A note about the differences in the two issues later.

Razor saw (mitre box helpful)

Exacto Knife and #11 blade

Flat sanding block (I have a 4" x 6" piece of plywood with sand paper glued to it)

Tenax or suitable plastic welder

.022" brass wire (or close to it)

Squadron Putty (white or green) I like white better

Paint and decals of your choice

Caboose chimney (optional)

The first step is to disassemble the coaches.  This is not difficult but may require some injenuity on your part.  Remove thre trucks and set aside.  The roof may be glued in place but, a few gentle twists will break the bond and allow you to remove it.  The same goes for the frame.  Any gluing I have encountered has been "spot" gluing.   The "glass" insert is also frequently glued in place. (The older MDC cars had minimal gluing)  Run your #11 blade carefully between the glass and the inside walls to break the bond, usually in the four corners.  Use a small screw driver or something similar to push through the truck pin holes in the bottom and gently tap against the metal weight.  This should, after a while, push the weight and the glass insert away from the bottom of the car body.  Once loosened, gentle prying will get both the weight and the glass out.  Set all the pieces aside until you have both cars disassembled.

Before you start your surgery, you must make a decision.   Note that each car has a "blind" window position on one end.  This would probably be where a closet, washroom, or stove may have been.  Decide now whether you want a blind window on one end or both so you can make your cuts accordingly.  To make the car in the photo, you will make cuts that allow for 20 windows on each side, counting the blind end as one window.

It has never seemed quite right to cut up a perfectly good car but, once you get that first cut made, you're on your way!


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Re:Bashing a 68' wood, open platform coach
Looks good. Thanks for sharing


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Re:Bashing a 68' wood, open platform coach
Thanks Dick! That is just great. I am sure this will help anyone trying this or any other similar bash.
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Part two: This next step takes a little time and patience so, don't hurry.   Ready to start surgery?

BODY #1:  Place the glass insert inside the body to give it some strength while you are cutting.   Put the body in the mitre box (if you have one) and cut through the car, cutting between the 14th and 15th windows, cutting closer to the 15th to give yourself some sanding "adjustment" material.

BODY #2:  Repeat the above procedure, this time cutting between the 6th and 7th window, again, cutting closer to the 7th.  Retain the 6 window section for your project.

ROOF SECTION #1:  Place a roof onto body section #1, ensuring the roof is pushed all the way towards the end and in its proper position.  Using the length of the altered body as a guide, cut through the roof.  Discard the smaller section.

ROOF SECTION #2:  Repeat this procedure with the other whole roof section.

The next step takes time and patience.  Do not hurry... you can always sand a "little more" but, unfortunately, you cannot "un-sand".

Using the sanding block, sand each end section, trying to be as "square" as you can.  Sand each until you are happy with the join.  To help keep things square, place one of the weights into one of the end sections and trial fit them often while you are sanding.  The weight is a snug fit so it lines the two sections up well.  When you are satisfied with the fit and it looks good to you (e.g. the window post at the join does not look to wide), keeping the weight in place and the ends butted together tightly, run a bead of Tenax on the join from the inside of the car.  Set it on a flat surface to dry and bond.  I gave mine the Tenax treatment twice, just to be sure.  If you have been really careful about your join, it might not be obvious due to the wood boards.  If, however, you can see a little gap, use the Squadron putty to fill in and let harden before trimming and sanding. 

Do the same for the roof sections, sanding as "square" as possible and frequently trial fittin until the two sections settle in place snugly into the body.  When you have it the way you want, butt the two ections together and apply the Tenax from the inside.  Set on a flat surface to bond.  You may want to cement a strip of thin styrene to the inside of the clerestory for strength.  I did not, but I offer this as a suggestion for peace of mind.  When the sections have bonded, you will need to fill in the seam with Squadon putty, sanding smooth after hardening.

Whileeverything is hardening, smooth off the rough edges of the glass inserts with your sanding block.  I did not bond them together finding it easier to get them into and out of the car body in sections.


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Part Three, Preparing the frame: Turn the frame upside down and place it on something that will allow the railings on the ends to "hang over" and not get damaged.  Using your X-acto knife, score the frame on the outboard sides of the frame members that hold the queenposts.  Score several times and then "snap" the pieces apart as you would if you were working with styrene.  (see photo above)  Smooth up rough edges as these pieces must lie flat against the bottom of the car body.  You now have three frame pieces, one center section containing the holes for the queenposts and two ends.  Place one end section into the recess on the bottom of the car body and slide it forward as far as it will go, allowing for the platform to extend beyond the end of the car body.  Do the same for the other end.  Now, carefully center the center section between the two end sections.  When you have all three pieces where they should be, run beads of Tenax where the frame sections meet the car body.  Here you need to make another decision:  if you are a perfectionist (which I am not) you may want to cut pieces out of the remaining frame to "fill in" between your frame sections.  I didn't because I figured the only people who would be looking up under my car would be the LPP's who work on my railroad! Also, I preferred to keep the extra frame intact for a possible future project... your call.

Mount the truss rods by placing the queenposts in the holes on the center section.  I put a drop of CA to hold them firm.  Snip off the truss rods outboard of the queenposts that would normally extend to the holes near the truck bolsters as they are now too short and discard.  Using the .022" brass wire, cut four pieces approximately 16.5 feet in length.  These are actuall a tad short but, we don't want them to foul the swing of the trucks.  This part is a little "fiddly" and required that I cut and fit each rod individually.  Using a drop of CA, but one end of the wire up against the queenpost in the proper orientation to the rod still existing between the posts and lay the other end in the hole near the truck bolster.  A drop of CA will hold this.  Do all four in this manner.  I found afteer the CA had cured, I felt better putting another drop of CA on all eight joints. 


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Part Four, assembly and finishing: Now, you can assemble your open platform wood passenger car. Be sure the weight is centered inside the car and the grooves on the edges are facing up. (The clear insert sets into these grooves.) Place the clear pieces inside the car. Carefully, put the roof on the car. The fit should be snug enough to preclude the need to glue. Attach the trucks with the pins. If you opt to have a stove inside, with a pin vise, drill a hole in the proper place and mount a caboose chimney. Some of my cars have them, others do not showing they may have been had steam heat installed.  When you're sure everything fits and it looks the way you want it, remove the roof, glass, and trucks and paint as desired.  I used a brush.


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About the differences between the older MDC cars and the new Athearn issues.  The Athearn cars come with working knuckle couplers which, apparently, necessitated raising the car a little on  the trucks to clear the swing of the coupler extensions.  The MDC cars sit lower and, in my opinion, look just a little bit better than their slightly taller cousins but, they come with Rapidos or dummy knuckle couplers which area little iffy operationally.  However, ths difference is slight.  If you have the Athearn models, you're all set with MT couplers.  If you want to mount MT's on an MDC car, simply score and snap off the coupler extension from the trucks.  I mounted MT 1015's directly to the floor under the platform.  The height appears perfect.  The cars will handle an 11" curve beautifully with body mounted couplers.  For lengthening these cars and adding vestibules and steel ends, see:

http://www.nscale.net/forums/modeling/scratchbuilding-kit-bashing/2008/07/26/woodside-coach-vestibules

These cars frequently can be purchased individually (coaches) but, they come in sets of four: combine, coach, sleeper, and business car.  This opens up all sorts of possibilities bashing.  But, you'll need two sets to be productive.  Below are several  cars I built including coaches, combines, and business car (the business car is a product of an possible idle afternoon and my imagination and a bunch of left-over parts).  Finding photos of these cars will give you detailing ideas such as, the chimney, a wire running the length of the roof indicating up-grading from gas lights to electric lights inside, etc.  Have fun and good luck!

If any of you ty one of these, I would love to see it!


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