A new approach to topography, or making a mountain out of a mole-hill?

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Several years ago, when I joined this board, I mentioned an idea I had for modeling terrain based on topographic mapping. While I was inactive over the intervening years, that thread seems to have gotten lost, but I thought some folks here might be interested in a follow-up, as I haven’t seen this method mentioned elsewhere.

Of course, I like to envision myself as the pioneer, but I know that when I have had such delusions in the past, someone points me to a web site that details how my ‘new’ idea has been perfected over the centuries… So feel free to bust my bubble; I’m used to it ;)

Also, this method may not appeal to many modelers, but the advantages I see are:

1. A highly accurate model of prototype topography

2. Really light weight

3. Minimum of material (related to 2. above, but also saves money, and I’m a cheapskate)

The disadvantage is that it’s a fairly pedantic approach that requires the ability to visualize terrain based on topographic mapping techniques.

The end result is a custom foam mountain or hill that’s a lot like those premade ones you see in your LHS; hollow and light light light.

Also, let me say that I have very little experience in this hobby. The layout that I have started (my first) is going to be very mountainous, and, probably due to my early training with topographic maps, it seemed natural to me that my track plan include topo lines. Way back in my early days in the Boy Scouts I saw an article on modeling mountains based on a topo map, and now I’ve updated and improved on that method. So far I’ve only modeled one mountain, but it has turned out quite to my liking, and I’ve learned a couple things in the process. My explanation here is going to require a good understanding of topo maps, a generous helping of imagination ;), and would be much easier to understand with pix. Unfortunately, I didn’t take pictures along the way, so I will do my best to explain what I did, and, if there is any interest, I’ll get some illustrative shots when I build my next mountain.

EDIT: I did another quick one, and added photos and descriptions in blue, below.

When I sketched my intended layout, I didn’t pay any attention to accurate spacing of topo lines, I just freehanded them to represent the slopes at a scale that made sense visually. However, the next step was to transfer the topo lines to the 1” construction foam, so accuracy was important at this stage. At 1:148 scale, 1” thick foam represents 148”, or 12.3’, of elevation. Since the hill I wanted to model is about 130’ tall, I determined I needed 10 ‘thicknesses’ of foam, and therefore 10 topo lines. Then:

1.       Starting with a piece of the foam that was a few inches larger than the base of my mountain, I traced  the topo line representing the base of the mountain. I’ll call this topo line #10.

2.       Guesstimating where the top of the mountain would be in relation to the base, I drew in the highest topo line, so that I now had a ‘circle within a circle’. I call this topo line #1.

3.       To assist in drawing the remaining 8 topo lines, I placed 8 dots along each of several ‘slope lines’ around the mountain. Of course, the dots are closer together to represent steep slopes, and farther apart to represent lesser slopes. I took care to place the dots along ‘critical’ slope lines that represented features of the mountainside. For instance, a gully running up the side of the mountain might require a slope line running along each ridge of the gully and a slope line running along the trough.

4.       I then connected the dots, forming the 8 additional topo lines.

 

The following image illustrates the topo lines drawn on a 12" X 14" piece of 1/2" styrofoam:

5.       Using an electric carving knife, I cut along the topo lines to end up with one ring representing each 10’ of elevation. However, I angled the knife as I made each cut such that the resulting foam ring would be wider at the bottom than at the top. This way the rings can be easily stacked and glued together. I started with the highest (#1) topo line, and tried to angle the knife so that the bottom of the cut would be directly below (on the opposite side of the foam from) the #2 topo line. When I cut the #2 topo line, I angled the knife so that the bottom of that cut is directly below the #3 topo line, and so on. For the lowest topo line, I just angled the knife outward in a similar manner.

Here's a cross-section illustration with a regular knife and black dots for the topo lines. Notice how the knife is angled to exit the foam directly under the adjacent topo line:

6.       Then it was a simple matter of gluing and stacking all the rings to form the mountain. Of course, I wasn’t able to visualize the knife angles perfectly, but some simple foam shaping and a coat of plaster took care of that.

 

Here's another one I did, after I shaped it and covered it with colored plaster:

 

The steeper the terrain, the thinner the structure, to the extreme that if your terrain is too steep (a cliff), you will end up with a hole in the side of the mountain (where all the topo lines intersect) but this can obviously be covered with a sheet of your modeling material of choice (gauze and plaster, paper and plaster, whatever).

So, can anybody make any sense out of that without pictures? J




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Xswco,I thank you for the

Xswco,

I thank you for the effort but for me it's confusing.  

I'm totally lost when trying to read a topographic map.  There may be others you it will help.

Perhaps when you start to build one you can do a tutorial with (for me) lots of pictures. Maybe I can then get a clearer idea of how it works.

See ya

Ron


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I like it!

This is really interesting to me.  I think I share your way of thinking and often use contour lines on my trackplans.  Like a lot of things, once you understand contours, they really help you visualize the landscape.  I teach geography and college students have a real problem with this concept, so I can see why it would be potentially confusing, but I think it is worth reading it again if you did not get it the first time.  I found it pretty clear!

Your idea for making the landscape this way is quite clever to me.  As I understand it, because you are cutting out nested contour circles bevelled outwards (so the bottom is larger diameter than the top of the foam layer), the amount of foam you need for a hill is the size of the lowest layer.  This in theory would save quite a bit of foam and I have found this is the most expensive part of the benchwork, so the savings are potentially substantial. 

I agree with you that steep slopes are probably the major problem, as each contour layer would be too narrow to give it much strength, but I would suggest a quick coat of spray foam on the back of the slope would give it some extra strength.  I suspect there would be quite a bit of trimming to finish the slope too.

I might try it myself the next time the opportunity arises.  A good idea, and from my knowledge, an original!

Cheers,

Scott




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A mock up

I could not resist.  I used a small square of foam to make a quarter of the hill.  This method has potential, and was remarkably easy. The final hill would need very little trimming.  Hope the photos help.

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My knife was too short to cut a more gentle slope.  Still, this approach makes a little foam board go a long way.

 Cheers,

Scott 




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Sounds like a good idea

I would suggest that you use two sheets of foam. Cutting straight down., you could cut every other line on each. That way there would be overlap and support while maintaining the original lines. You'd then have to cut the slope after it's stacked, it might make for smoother transitions between layers.




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I did a quick hill this

I did a quick hill this afternoon and added pix and notes to the original post. I used a scrap piece of 12" X 14" styrofoam that is just 1/2" rather than the 1" I originally described, and only did five topo lines instead of the 10 I mentioned in the original description. It took me about 20 minutes. Hopefully the pix will help.

 EDIT: Even with the fairly steep slope illustrated above, there was plenty of overlap to glue the layers together.

Also, the 'dots on the slope lines' I mentioned above isn't necessary on simple models where you can visualize it well. I probably should have left that out, as I'm afraid it just adds to the confusion.

A variation of the above approach (if you're not interested in accuracy) would be to use thick foam and not angle the knife. You could slide each layer up or down to adjust the profile as you like, then after it's glued together shape the foam to get rid of the stairsteps.




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Thanks for the

Thanks for the pictures...

For me it makes a world of difference. Smile I can now see and understand the maps. It is an easy way to model a mountains and hills from simple topographic maps.

See ya

ron


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XSWCO, I think you scored a touchdown with this........

   This is a great concept you have come up with. It's simple and reliable, I really like it! I am not quite ready to start scenery yet but I will use your method. Keep those thoughts and ideas rollin' in folks.

Jacko




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Xswco, I have been

Xswco,
 
I have been planning to print actual contour maps from some of the railroad I want to model for N scale to various compressions (matching vertical and horizontal compression to maintain gradient).  I like your technique for the angled cut.
 
Charles




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Thanks for this.Clever

Thanks for this.

Clever technique...  really clever.  Will need to try!

Likewise, I think there's real value in this exercise as it emphasizes the importance of considering the actual contours of a landscape. I think too many of us ultimately consider landscape AFTER the track-plan has been designed and installed.

Again, thanks.




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