Newbie saying hi and outlining my plans

Stevo69
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Hi to everyone on this forum. I thought it was about time to join up as I've been lurking around this and other similar forums, but have decided to lay my hat on this forum.

I plan to construct a layout in our new home, which hopefully will be complete mid 2008 (the home, that is), so this is quite early to start talking about it but I'm doing all my research now.

I am in Australia, and have decided to build a US freelanced layout. Over the years my knowledge of US railroads is limited to books, the occasional VHS documentary and model rail magazines but have always have an interest in the Montana/mountainous regions running BNSF. Then a few years ago, along comes Microsoft Train Simulator, and I discovered the Marias Pass route. From then on, this is all I've ever played on MSTS! I made a decision long ago that if I ever were to construct a U.S. layout in N-scale, I would do a freelance layout based on this route.

I would be interested to know if there is other Aussies on this forum as well (Bryan, your avitar looks very familiar!, and Komata I see you're a Bathurst fan!). From an Australian perspective, there is so much more available in US N-scale than there is in dedicated Australian N-scale. I could count the number of RTR Australian locos on two hands! There's just no market in Australia. You are very lucky in the US with what's available.

Now the layout: I plan to base my layout a loosley on the concept of a small section of the Marias Pass route popularized in MSTS, housed in a room approximately 3.6m x 3m (9' x 11'). It would start as a large switching yard, which also doubles as a "live" fiddleyard. The track would wind through gently undulating hills, reaching a mountainous terminus stop at the end which has another switching yard. There would be 3 or 4 small stations in between, perhaps a lumber yard, a large wye. The track would have a combination of single and double tracks at varous stages.

I don't plan to have a continous loop layout. My layout would effectively be a looong switching layout, or sorts. It may sound like an odd way of operating a layout to some modelers.

I will be using an NCE PowerCab, which I currently use on my Australian HO layout.

Well that's about it for now. I'm sure I'll have lots of questions along the way.

Steve


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Welcome to the forum,

Welcome to the forum, Steve!

Yes, there are a few folks on the forum from down under (as we say in the US!  LOL).  They are knowledgable modelers and post frequently.  Spend some time reading the blogs, too.  They're interesting, fun and informative.

Planning for a layout that you can't start until the middle of next year is a wise decision!  If you don't already have it, I recommend John Armstrong's "Planning for Model Railroads".  You may also want to read Tony Koester's book on operations.  There are many more books and articles available and I'm sure some other members of the forum will offer their suggested reading lists.

There is an incredible wealth of knowledge on this forum and it's not limited strictly to model railroading.  Ask all the questions you can think of.  And before someone else beats me to it, I'll remind you that the only foolish question is one that is never asked!

Welcome aboard!  Jump on in and enjoy the ride!

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Thanks for your welcome

Thanks for your welcome Darrell. Yes, I'll try to get hold of these two books. I have been collecting the odd publication from Kalmbach Publishing, but to date, I do not have the two you recommend.

The challenge is to understand what road names would run in the same prototypical line. I'm familiar with the Aussie road names, but you have a lots more to choose from. And I'm a bit scared of mixing too many freight cars of different companies. But, in the end, if you mix and match road names which aren't prototypical, and you're happy and enjoy it, who cares what others think, right?

I plan to have a switcher (say, EMDMP15DC), and 2 or 3 GP-35's or 38's. I'm starting to collect them and converting them to DCC. And of course a handful of freight cars. In HO I model 1960's Australian (in particular VR to the Aussie forum members reading this). This time around I wanted to look at a 1990's era. I'm interested in BNSF, so operating both BNSF and BN at the time of the merger? Just a thought.

I have decided on Peco code 55, which is easily available here locally, and I am begining to purchase track and turnouts, and plan to stock up over the next six months.

I will post my questions as I think of them. Most questions will probably relate to the day-to-day operations on US railroads and their companies, so go easy on me! Anyway I look forward to a long and happy association with n-Scale.net!

hoo roo, Steve


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How about...
Stevo69 wrote:

...I'm interested in BNSF, so operating both BNSF and BN at the time of the merger? Just a thought.

Steve,

 Perhaps one option is keeping equipment for more than one 'era' and making your scene reasonably generic between the time frames you wish to portray. There was a paragraph in a book I own about doing just that, but the illustrations had tow trucks in the 1880's era photo! Modeling BN to BNSF is what, thirty years in modern times? I would be hard pressed to pick the inconsistencies, aside from double stack trains in BN-merger era times. Maybe an SW1200 in BN green switching a siding, vs the MP15 in BNSF doing the same thing in another session?


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G'day Stevo... WELCOME!

G'day Stevo... WELCOME!

If you have difficulty finding VR stuff in 'N', imagine my challenge modelling WAGR Cry... I would guess that VR is close to the most prevalent of the Aussie 'N' prototypes available.

WAGR stuff has been my goal since the early '70's, so I keep stashing away anything that has potential, and play freelance until I get to my big project.

Moving around with work has kept me from doing as much as I would have liked, but it hasn't stopped me from collecting stuff.

There are several other Aussies among us... off the top of my head; there's one other sandgrouper, two banana benders, one crow eater, two cockroaches, and one from the ACT.

Whilst certain roads own/operate in given corredores, it is not unusual to see a mix of names, as it depends more on the origin and destination of a given shipment... if you wanted a starting point for commonly seen combinations of roadnames, you could research which roads merged over the years.


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Hi Bryan, Thanks for the
Hi Bryan, Thanks for the welcome. You're right, we're pretty lucky with the 'limited' amount of VR in N-scale (and HO for that matter). But I do feel for the West and other states such as Tasmania. I'm starting to collect loco's, rolling stock and track, and I'm pretty lucky to have 5 decent model shops here in Victoria, which stock N-scale. I suppose the mixture of road names for freight on any given corridor has increased over the years as mergers and takeovers occur in the rail network. I don't think I'll stress about it too much.

And like here in Australia, when companies merge, or change liveries, there is often a delay of many years before all the rolling stock is re-painted. Some never get done, before the next livery change occurs.

Thanks Dckuk, Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head. This is what I'm imagining for my layout. I will predominately have BN and BNSF, so that gives me a pretty broad era to cover.

And the layout will have to succumb to "scale compression". It will be impossible to have it at true length. I intend to use a length of Peco code 55 flexitrack (30-inches) as a typical yard length. I know that's probably even too short for a layout, but it'll have to do.
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Hi Stevo,

Not sure where you are in Vic, The hobby shops I visist are listed below, I have included details for you as well if it is any help??

I find these places really helpful and typically have what i want when i need it....

Branchline

490 Dorset Rd Croydon VIC 3136
ph: (03) 9723 1211 

 Rail-N-ThusiastFlag no.4

 Happy hunting....

Simpdogg




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Hi Simpdogg, Thanks for

Hi Simpdogg, Thanks for your help. Yeah I visited Rail-N-thusiast today (first time in10 years). Fantastic shop indeed, and you're right - extremely helpful. Bought a BN GP30 and holding a second to pickup next pay day!

I'm in the extreme north-west of Melbourne so I'm too far for Branchline but I have been there twice for HO stuff in the past.

Trainworld in Brighton is also becoming my regular haunt for me. Again very helpful. I could spend all day browsing (and buying) in both shops.And the internet is getting a good flogging.

To elaborate my ideas on a layout, I have drawn out a plan on CAD

Each blue grid is 1 x 1 metre.

It's a point-to-point layout (no loops). I have marked  the gradients in millimetres, "G0" being the lowest at Town 1. I estimate that it would rise 5mm/500m (1%).

When the line reached the proposed industry it will be  25mm (1-inch) higher.

At "G40" the line will enter a tunnel and spiral up which will be patially hidden, but accessable. I'm hoping this will help me gain some height. I have only shown  one loop, but I might add 2 or 3 loops.

By the time it exits the tunnel the line will be on a higher shelf above the lower track and wind through some mountainous area until reaching the end at Town 2 and another switching yard. 

I would welcome any thoughts on my plans. 

Steve 


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Stev I like the trackplan,

Myself personally I would look to maybe ad a loop down the track but all in all its a really nice tidy layout which will give you some great operational fun. The other thing I like about it is that its not cluttered like mine so you you can create some really effective lifelike scenery as well.

I look forward to seeing progress pics along the way.

My dad often visits trainworld in Brighton, I've not had the pleasure of going there yet.

Cheers

Simpdogg 




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Trackplan

Steve,

I realy like your trackplan - straightforward and no 'spaghetti'.  You've got plenty of long runs and space for lots of scenery details.

Keep us posted on your progress.


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Newbie saying Hi and outlining my plans.

Steve

I don't know if it is any help, but here in New Zealand the local railway operator (ironically enough an Australian truck Company - Toll Holdings), has got into the habit of partially closing branch lines and renaming what is left (which usually terminates at an important industry such as a dairy factory) an 'Industrial Siding'.

The fact that said 'siding' can be several miles in length  is conveniently overlooked (or ignored!!).

It is at best a conceit, at worst a total manipulation of the facts and probably done for diverse financial and political reasons.

Perhaps this term could be applied to one of your 'extended sidings', though whether it would conform with US practice to do this, I cannot say.

Just a thought . . .

Komata

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Hey!

Welcome steveo,

I hope you like it here, they have all been real nice to me and they haven't even beat me for being a yankee yet.  Anyway if you need any help let me know, we all try to help one another here.  I love your track plan by the way, that area of the US is very senic.  Don't worry too much about mixing road names on your layout as much as making sure that the rolling stock is all in the same era.  Its not uncommon to see several road names in the same train. There are also companines in the US that also lease rolling stock such as TTX so they are everywhere. I live in North Carolina, serval hundred miles from the nearest BNSF or Union Pacific line but still manage to get a glimsp of a locomotive every now and then.  Here is a pic I took last summer not too far from where I live.

BNSF in Lexington NC

Good luck and happy modeling.


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Welcome Steveo

Always a pleasure to have another hobbyist aboard. I too play Train Simulator. Have you added the downloads for the Marias Pass section? There are a couple of new locos and a few added problems.

I think you'll discover that the folks on here are very helpful!

Good luck!--

Al




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Welcome Steve

Hi Steve ! Good to have some more fella's from down under!

Sounds like you have a plan . Keep us posted with pic's !!

 

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Evening all, it has been so

Evening all, it has been so long since I posted here at N-Scale.net. I have been extremely busy with family and work committments, an the construction of the new house is sloooowly progressing. I may have to reduce or revise my plan slightly as our house plans have changed. Perhaps, I should post the dimensions I have available to me and see what the members can come up with?

I have had limited success with DCC decoders. I have ordered and installed them in all my locos and only 1 in 2 actually work, and need replacing. I am positive I am not doing anything wrong. I buy a new decoder and it works! Perhaps I have been buying a bad batch or something.

Anyway, I thought I'd pop in to let you know I haven't disappeared and my N-scale layout is still 'on track'. 


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Change of layout plan

Good evening fellow N-Scalers,

Since I posted initial layout plans for discussion, the area and orientation within my workshop has changed slight, which means I will have to modify my layout plans.

 

Area:

My total area I can dedicate to an N-Scale layout is now a length against one wall 4 metres long and 400mm wide. There is only sufficient space at one end of this 4m x 400mm length for a tight loop.

 

Proposed Layout:

Naturally, I cannot have a complete running loop, but that was never my initial intentions anyway. I proposed a switching yard at the narrow end, with a mainline exiting out of the yards and looping back on itself at the other end.

 In the centre I will have some small spurs and perhap a turntable. I would like to leave the loop as it is, with some hills and scenery around it.

Suggestions:

 I am asking for suggestions and honest opinions on this proposed plan. I need suggestions for the switching yard. It may not be prototypical, especially regarding the scale-length, but it is the best compromise for me.

 


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A Few Thoughts

First off, have you ever gone to railpictures.net?  I went and typed in Marias Pass in the search and got back over 180 fantastic shots covering multiple generations of the BN/BNSF route.  Here's a link to the exact search I did:

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?offset=0&where=search|-2|-2|-2||-2|Marias%20Pass|30|2||||||||-2|-2||-2|-2|||30|-2|-2||||||1||1||||&newsort=1

It does look like terrific scenery and has some shots of a small helper yard as well in Essex, Montana.  It's a great site to find images of areas you want to model.

Question regarding your new layout space:  Have you ever thought about building on multiple levels, having one yard at the end of one level, and another yard at the end of the level (both on the right side of your drawing)?  You could fit a helix into the area on the left hand side of your drawing.  Something about having a train disappear and reappear on a new level to me gives the impression of traveling much farther than it really did, giving you the ability to model two points ignoring the "inbetween."

even if it was just a 4-6" increase, and you split the shelf you had in half lengthwise with the front part being the lower level, and the back part being the upper, you could provide some visual separation of your two areas.  A larger helix and two complete levels would give you much more trackage and modeling space without taking up any more floorspace.  The helix could be contained in a mountain and the train would emerge from a tunnel on either level, which would fit very well with your locale and theme.

It's definitely more work when it comes to construction, but might give you what you're looking for (a point-to-point switching layout) with two distinctly separate areas without taking up any more space than you have to.




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