Making the initial move - Modelers block

DHClark76
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OK.  So I'm doing my first N-scale layout (i think, hopefully, eventually), but I'm having a hard time making my first move.  Part of it is that I haven't done any modeling in a long time, and am just so excited to get started, that I'm trying to figure out where to start.  I think a little bit of it is that I want to do so much that I'm overwhelming myself into indecision.   

Another way I kind of look at is like when you've been smitten by this really hot girl and you are trying to get the courage to dance or go on a date, but part of you is afraid because this is your first time approaching the girl. What if she says yes and things don't go as planned, or what if you spend a lot of time and money on her and in the long run find out she just isn't the one for you after all.  You know, somethings look better from a distance, or at least better than they really are.

Anyhow, I've been smitten by N-Scale and have been amassing trackage, locos & rolling stock, based on eras and areas that I like.  But, I still can't decide on that first layout.  Where, when, and what do I model.

I've done the typical writer's block stuff.  Make lists, pros & cons, identify you're favorite elements, etc.  STILL STUCK.  HELP!

 Doug

(p.s. I'm horrible at Baskin-Robbins too.  To much good stuff!)  


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LOL, I know what you
LOL, I know what you mean!  If you goof up with the girl, you might not be able to correct your blunder: however, if you make a mistake with the modeling, you can always un-do it and start again!  Best advice from me is to decide on a rough track-plan, get your benchwork up, and go to it, refining it as you go.  Mistakes are only learning expriences to which somebody attached that bad name... "mistake"! 
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Making the initial move - Modelers block

Doug

Rest assured that you are not alone - it would be reasonable to say that all N-scaler's have been through this stage, so don't give up - it does pass.

Might I suggest that you start off simple - an oval with a passing loop on each side and possible a siding (spur) for an industry or two?

Kalmbach (publishers of 'MR' and 'Trains' magazines) have put out a couple of publications which could be useful (if you haven't already got them):

'N-scale Primer' and

'N-scale MR track plans'

Both of these could be useful, but I would particularly recommend the 'EZ and Quik' plan in N-scale Primer - the article 'talks you though' construction, and is clear and concise (IMHO at least).

The EZ and Quik is a very good basis on which to start, and can be developed in a variety of ways as your skills improve (which they will).

Hope that this helps - keep us posted on your progress.

Komata

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A Professional Procrastinator

I recognise the symptoms well. Some call it procrastination I call it research. Can equal pretty much the same thing. For me it comes down to tapping into what rings my bell the loudest. That's not always the easiest route but if you pick the idea that has the most passion behind it, it's the one most likely to have the momentum to carry you over the challenges.

Of course you have to temper that with a little realism. Angelina Jolie may ring my bell quite loudly, a positive tintinabulation but I'm no Brad Pitt and I live in the wrong hemisphere.

Once you've got hold of the idea that makes your heart pound the most (and won't land you in jail for stalking) then take the first step. Make it an easy one if you like: a building, a bridge, an industry that might start shaping an area.

My Life Coach brother told me the story of boy looking around a cruise ship with his family. He came onto the bridge and the Captain let him hold the wheel. Try as he might he couldn't turn it. The captain said to him, it's much easier when the ship is moving.

It's all about momentum. Well it is for me anyway.




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Well Doug, some really good

Well Doug, some really good grist for the mill already. If I may, I’d like to add my thoughts, for whatever they are worth!

  • First off, how much space do you have to work with?
  • Once this known, what layout shape would you prefer to have? E.G. 2x4, 3x6, 4x8, short shelf, long shelf around the walls, etc?
  • Now you have to decide on the layout! Basically, continuous running or point to point! But then there are depots, yards, servicing areas, etc. to consider.
  • So far as the era goes – well, you say you have some locomotives so they might help you decide! All diesels, all steam or a mix of the two? So you have modern, old or transition! You can further refine it from there!
  • The general era may also impact the track plan you ultimately decide on (especially when it comes to engine servicing). It will certainly impact the structures you eventually place on your layout!

As someone said, don’t try to eat the orchard all at once; do it apple by apple! One step at a time and it will all fall into place. And should you decide at some point you would like to change your mind (as happens to most of us) you’ll find that very little is completely irreversible!


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Visualize

Visualize your favorite railroad scene, for example a steam engine thundering across a intricate high wooden tressle, or a crowded rail yard with busy switchers, and build your entire layout around that one scene you like best. Its kind of like a mental thumbtack that everything hangs off of. The focus.


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Practicality

I'll be the practical one here. What, of the ideas you like, is the easiest to model? What has the most prototype information available? What has the most models available? What is best suited to yoru available resources?

~BS 


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I agree with mistermahoney-

I agree with mistermahoney- find one or two railroad scenes that inspire you, and build the layout to fit them.

Then get one of the track planning books and a pile of blank paper and start scribbling.

P.S. My best track plans usually come to me during long, boring meetings. Good thing no one else knows what those scribbles really are.




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Look to prototypes

My first little layout was the result of my becoming tired of false/non starts as I struggled with trying to capture everything I wanted/felt should be in a pike.  I had grand ideas but no direction and I got fed up and just decided on something.  One year later I'm happy I did - whetted the pallet and got me thinking more clearly about what I liked.  This time, I'm building something a bit bigger and now I am looking at the prototype for direction.  This has made modelling infinitely easier as I don't understand all things trains but so long as I copy the real thing I'm assured that my choices aren't folly.

Bottom line - if you are just scratching an itch, follow Bryan's advice and just start something.  Otherwise, I would suggest that taking the time to look at a prototype railroads for direction.  There's no rule saying you have to follow things to a 't' - but it is reassuring to know you are moving in the correct trajectory.

In the words of the late Bob Ross - "there are no mistakes, only happy little accidents..." 




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Thanks everyone...

Lots of good advice and encouragement here.  So far I'm taking bits and pieces from you all.  Greentowner, I hear you the loudest as procrastination has always been an acquaintance of mine.

You'll all be proud to know that I took a first decisive step today and purchased a piece of 2'x4' piece of MDF and some extruded foam (more on that mess later).  

I kind of started thinking like Komata was saying, just start with small and easy.  I've got tons of code 55 flex just sitting there doing nothing and I've got locos I can't even run or tinker with because I don't even have a loop to run then on.  I also finally admitted to myself that this first layout is gonna be a bit messy to begin with as I brush up on my soldering, take on an airbrush for the first time, and acquire new skills.  So why not make it nice and easy (and fun).  While I don't envision being enthralled by a basic loop operation, my two little ones will be amazed by daddy's amazing creation (amazingly they can watch things go in circles for a long time without getting bored).

As for elements, eras, and other relevant questions.  I need to get that itch scratched in terms of laying track.  So I'm gonna freelance this one.  I think I'm gonna model my dream ranch in the western Montana mountains, perhaps show a logging operation as well.

However, prototypical layouts are in my future.  Still in "research" phase on that one, though.

 Doug

By the way, it's good to get feedback from a lot of the folks whose posts I've learned a lot from in the past.  I lingered a long while before I finally registered and posted, and even contributed recently, (which, by the way when do I get my contributer label?).  Michael's ongoing project in foam (shall we call it your "blue" period, or were you using pink foam, I forget) has been interesting because I've been planning on going with foam myself. 

 


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My foam mess...

I mentioned in my post that the foam mess was a different story.  So, I submitted a post to the general modeling forum about it.  If you are interested give it a look.  You may have the answers I am seeking.

 http://www.nscale.net/forums/modeling/general-modeling-techniques/2008/02/19/dow-yellow-tan-foam

Doug 

 


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Making the initial move - Modelers block

Doug

Glad to hear you're making progress - and that you will have 'little helpers' to encourage you.

But for your own sanity, please DON"T just make a basic loop with no sidings - you'll go crazy (and it will become incredibly boring after 5 minutes), as the train goes round, and round, and round, and  . . . . . round, and . . . . . . . round, and . . . . .

All of which is why I suggestd the EZ and Quik - at least you can see yourself making progress (and you might even get some 'assistance' along the way - especially with the Plaster of Paris for the hill/tunnel - who needs mud pies anyway?)

Just a thought - before you go 'loopy'

Komata

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Hey!

Komata,

...watch it there, bub...

 What's wrong with a layout that goes round, and round, and round, and  . . . . . round, and . . . . . . . round, round, and round, and round, and  . . . . . round, and . . . . . . . round,round, and round, and round, and  . . . . . round, and . . . . . . . round,round, and round, and round, and  . . . . . round, and . . . . . . . round...  

NURSE! 


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Making the initial move - Modelers block

Absolutely nothig wrong, except that watchingtrains going round, and round, and round and . . .  without being able to either do a crossing, or some shunting (switching), can become a little bit tedious, tedious, tedious, tedious, tedious, tedious, tediuos, tedious . . . with the result that one could become a little dienchanted with the whole N-scale RR thing - the interest will wain, and its not a good thing when it wains on your twains . . . (and besides, it becomes a little boring)

Komata

"TVR - serving the Northern Taranaki . . .

(Oh, and I forgot to mention, watching a train going round, and round CAN become a little tedious . . . - just thought you might like to know) (te deum, ad nauseum!)


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I built a small layout to

I built a small layout to get going and its been a tremendous boon. Not only am I learning lessons I can apply to my next layout, I am able to enjoy aspects of the hobby I may not have otherwise reached for years.

I chose a scene that existed for a fairly wide range of eras allowing me to pretty much run what I want without too much worry. Do I want my 2-8-0 and my RS3? Its 1953. Do I want to run my geeps? Its 1966..

What I found is that as I approached each phase of the layout I felt a certain inertia to try the "new" task. I could then just say "what the hell, its just a test layout" and moved forward. Once I broke the ice, I found that suddenly it was easy to move forward which will make it a LOT easier to complete the next one.

So, I think you are making the right move. Keep on the small layout and don't get distracted. its VERY easy to suddenly stop in the middle and decide to start the next one but you will be doing yourself a disservice if you do not get some models build and some scenery done as well.

Chris

 PS- I put a moratorium on buying any rolling stock or locomotives until I have a layout to support them. I have a small selection I can use on my layout but I don't want to end up having 1000 cars and no layout..

 




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Hello from a fellow

Hello from a fellow procrastating MRR as well  as one who is afraid to put track to layout cause I might dork it up.  My tale of woe is similar to yours.  

I started with a DC 4x7 layout and ran a few locos on it then tore it down. I came into a few bucks and decided to build my big dream layout. First big mistake.

To make a long story longer It took me 6 months to design a layout, build the bench-work.  And then....

Yes.. in 2006 a buying craze hit me. Brought  stuff, stuff, and more stuff till I ran out of the Yankee dollars. 

And here it is 2008 and not one piece of track laid and hemmed/hawed over two new new track plans. Now I had three to choose from. Talk about excuses to do nothing.  

With the encouragement of a friend (here's my point)  in the MRR world to offer encouragement and keep nudging you till you finally get off the pot and do something.

Well the encouragement got me moving, Yesterday, I finally chose a track plan and I started working. 

They'll still be lots of opportunities to fall back. But with the support of friends, forward progress will continue. 

And if you or I do hit (It can happen) a speed bump remember, There is no excuse for laziness, but I'll work on one. 

Oh and all that other (no offence intended) Dr Phil stuff may help you over a speed bump. but you can't beat friends. especially MRR ones.

Oh here's my first new excuse. "I'm not stalling I'm watching the glue dry."  Thought I'd have another one ready. Just got the base coat on and How about, " just watching the paint dry."

See ya

Ron         


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OK, well maybe a little more than a loop

Sorry, I didn't mean to give the wrong impression.  I will definitely add a cutoff, some sidings, but keep it simple and somewhat basic.

Komata, I'll look for those layouts you suggested.  I'll start posting pictures, and maybe even keep a blog when I get started.  We'll see just how motivated and disciplined I am.

Thanks all for the encouragement! 


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It's over...

The block has been overcome.  I did end up buying the N-Scale primer that Komata suggested, but it hasn't got here yet;  so, I actually ended up choosing a layout that was in a book I already had.

As promised, I posted my first blog today because I've started work. I hope you'll drop in time to time and see where I'm at.  I'm always up for some learning and insight!

Thanks for the nudge! 

 


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Making the Initial Move

WE all have to start somewhere.

In my own particular situation, it was to join an N-Trak club. That gave me a place to run trains and get some ideas. I've also learned a few things my short period of membership.

My train room hasn't had an operating layout in it since 1987 when we remodelled our home. That one was dismantled in order to store the stuff that had to come out of the existing upstairs portion of the house. Most of that stuff is still there but the room is in process of being cleaned out as we speak. Hopefully by the beginning of  August I'll be ready to start my benchwork even though the track plan is nowhere near finished.

But as I said, you have got to start somewhere and cleaning the train room out is step one. The room measures about 12 feet by 16 feet. So you need to measure your space and think about what you can put in there.

Irv


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DHClark76 wrote:

The block has been overcome.  I did end up buying the N-Scale primer that Komata suggested, but it hasn't got here yet;  so, I actually ended up choosing a layout that was in a book I already had.

As promised, I posted my first blog today because I've started work. I hope you'll drop in time to time and see where I'm at.  I'm always up for some learning and insight!

Thanks for the nudge! 

Irv

I've been trying tyo read your blog but no joy. Is there another way to find it?

Irv


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