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b7gwap
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Ok, so I looked down a few pages in this forum and found a few inquiries like mine... :) I'll just apologize right now for repetition of questions many of you seasoned hobbyists have probably answered hundereds of times. I'll caveat that by saying this is kind of an introductory post. That being said, moving on rapidly...

I come from a long heritage of RC modeling, primarily aircraft. The tradition has spanned two generations in my family. I was the only son that liked trains, too though. Not just as a little boy (I'm pretty sure ALL little boys love trains) but continuing on. I fooled around as an adolescent with some HO layouts but I never had real or experienced guidance OR the space. So, I have kind of become a totally lay-collector type. I have always wanted to dedicate a large portion of a basement to a full-fledged N scale layout, and so I'll purchase a loco here and there and shelve them, and now I'm sitting on a little collection. I have some modern EMD diesels from KATO in UP colors, and I have a DB freight set from Minitrix as well as a full set of Roco SNCF coaches that I put together piece by piece. So, I have euro and western US stuff. I know, two layouts, right? I guess now that you're probably wondering, "where the heck is this guy going with this?" what I mean to ask you who are more experienced than I is this: Should I stick with Kato for the best quality? What is the consensus on a DCC controller? Which is the best for a tard like me who's never run anything beyond a bachmann DC oval? Can you uncouple using one of those units? Will most standard sized N-scale locos and cars run on the scale-height rails? What are those called again? spec 40? Are there more derailments using it? I think what I want to do is start out with a diorama type deal, small scale, try my hand at some techniques before I invest all the time in money in a large layout. I'm deployed in Afghanistan right now so I'll have plenty of time to read up here before I start on anything.

 

I aplogize for the scatterbrained questions, but any advice or expertise will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Austin




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Lots of questions.  Lots

Lots of questions.  Lots of answers.  Welcome.  I'm sure you will enjoy your experience here. 

First of all I would recommend that you start out small.  It's great to have a basement at your disposal but many have gotten frustrated to the point of trashing the whole thing never to return.  Start out small with the ability to expand and I think you will be just fine.

As far as DCC goes I think most would recommend it.  There are a lot of things you can do with DCC and as long as you are starting out new might as well go DCC as well.

Around here you will get many different answers as far as what it the best quality.  Many will go with what they are looking for and not worry to much about manufacture.  For engines Kato and Atlas seem to be the ones of choice.  For rolling stock, Micro Trains and Intermountain seem to be what most are happy with. 

As far as rail height goes all I can say to you is good luck.  I am using Atlas code 55 but there is code 80 as well as others available.  Those seem to be the more popular.  I would use the search here and find a recommendation that way as apposed to asking here.  Every time it is asked for some reason or other a frenzy occurs as to which one is best.  Bottom line is they both have pluses and minuses and you just need to determine for yourself what is important.

Good luck in Afghanistan and stay safe.  If you can get a periodical like Model Railroader or NScale magazine it would be worth your while.

Eric

Deer Lodge, MT


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Welcome Austin,A lot of DCC

Welcome Austin,

A lot of DCC recommendations come from brand loyalty... Digitrax, Lenz, and NCE seem to be the popularity leaders, but it really comes down to what system works in a way the seems logically to you (this makes it easier to learn and use), and has a handset that looks and feel right to you... this being said, I would advise (when the time is right) you spend some time at Clubs and/or LHS that will allow you to try the different systems, so you can make a choice based on some hands-on experience... if planning a large layout, you also need to consider expandability.

As far as track goes, to use the smaller code rails, you need to have low profile wheel flanges on your equipment, but beyond that, the biggest thing with operational reliability (regardless of rail code), is you taking the time to do good trackwork... ill thought out, poorly laid track will bite you in the butt... take your time and do quality trakwork, and you will have far less issues (and more enjoyment) down the line.

As you rightly suspect, many questions have been asked before... try our search and you will likely find some reading on your given topics... once you've done a little reading, you will be in a better place to ask more pointed questions on the subject and how it relates to your specific situation, hence getting more helpful answers, rather than generic ones... just never be afraid to ask.


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Wow, thanks a lot gents. I

Wow, thanks a lot gents. I didn't know there was an nscale magazine, that will be great.  Quick question on DCC:  since I have locos from different manufacturers, can I use one controller to run them all or are there some proprietary issues? (ie minitrix and kato) I know that all my locos are setup for supposedly easy DCC conversion, but it would seem to me that Maerklin(minitrix) probably wouldn't have the same circuitry as a kato loco.  I'll go on a sniffy for the low-profile rails, I didn't realize that you'd have to lower the flanges, too, but that makes sense.  sounds like a job, especially for the locos.  I don't know if I would trust myself to take it apart that far, or if I could find replacements wheels.  Looks like I need to do some more delving into the archives here.  :)

So Kato and Atlas are generally considered best, eh?  Does this apply to both Steam and Diesels? I admit that while I like steam engines, I'm more interested in modelling more modern railroads, from the 1950s to present.  

And as a scale modeller in RC aircraft, I can appreciate the attention to detail and the satisfaction that comes from taking your time and doing a job right, but as far as quality trackwork goes, beyond general sloppiness, what are the most common pitfalls new railfans find themselves guilty of?  Also, best track manufacturers, anyone?

 Thank you again for the quick replies, everyone.  I appreciate your time and enthusiasm.

Austin 




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Generally speaking any DCC

Generally speaking any DCC decoder will fit into any locomotive.  Some will require some frame milling while others are a simple snap in place.  Loys Toys is a good place to get some information. http://www.loystoys.com/

As far as pit falls goes for track.  The main problem I think modelers have is trying to do too much too quickly.  It might be a good idea to get a book on track plans so you have an idea what some others have done.  There are a lot out there.  Check Amazon. 

I use Atlas track but there are others.  Peco makes a good one.  A little more expensive but folks here seem to think it worth it.

Good luck.

Eric

Deer Lodge, MT

I'm a diesel guy so I really can't coment on steam vs diesel manufactures.  I have heard that Athearn makes a good steam but someone else here I'm sure can answer that better.

Replacing wheel sets aren't really a big deal with rolling stock.  Locos would require a bit more finese and knowlege but if you can handle RC it shouldn't be a problem.

 


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Austin,

First, I want to thank you for your service to our country. I wish for your speedy and safe return back home. Second , Welcome to the N Scale site.

You will be pleased with the new and great things that you will find for your N Scale world.

DCC is great stuff just take it slow and you will be fine. 

 




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thanks a bunch everyone. 
thanks a bunch everyone.  I will keep exploring this site.  Thanks for the good wishes, too.  I was looking at kato's website, they have a gallery there.  There was apparently a model RR club in Baghdad in 05.  The cheesy grinned lieutenant on the cover picture of the album is wearing my unit's patch!  How small is a world is that? The album is about three pages in.  There are some amazing models and layouts out there.  I'm impressed and a little initimidated.  I am in awe.  Thanks for the advice again everyone.  And the warm welcome.


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Keep Your Head Down

...so you return safely to take up the hobby.

Since you've spent time on Kato's website, I would add the suggestion that you take a look at Kato's track.  More expensive, but it's already laid on roadbed and snaps together so there are few opportunities to have "bad" places in your track that continually need modification

Selecting a track plan was a tough one for me.  Widespread advice starts with, what industries will your railroad serve? what era will you be modeling? will you have passenger ops? if so, where do the passengers get on and off (town, city, village, rural)? After reading all of the questions I was as clueless as when I started. I WOULDN'T BE READING ALL OF THIS "ADVICE" IF I KNEW THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS! So I ended up using a plan from Kato's website and certainly followed the advice in this thread: start small so you get satisfaction from running something early on.

As others have recommended, DCC makes great sense. Lots of flexibility for future ops on your RR. Brand loyalty rules. I like mine (Digitrax Zephyr) and others like theirs. Simple suggestion: go to the DCC forum on this website and read all of the threads for which you have time. You'll get a good flavor from the questions and answers in the forum on who is struggling with their system and who is having the most fun.

And, I say again, keep your head down. 

 




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