Persistent login issues

dgwinup

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I've lived up to my sign-off signature recently and have only been lurking from afar the past week or so. Haven't had too much to say, anyway, but I do enjoy reading the comments and blogs.

So why the "Aaaarrrrgh!"? I've been 'lurking from afar' because whenever I click on the site, I'm always logged out, even though I checked the "remember me" box the last time I logged in. Checked 'my account' and found FOUR persistant log-ins (including the one I'm logged in on now). I can't figure out why my persistant log-ins aren't persistant. I've mentioned on numerous occassions that this is only annoying at worst and it is still annoying. It's the main reason why I haven't POSTED any replies recently; I'm just not logged in to post a reply.

And what prompted me to log in and go "Aaaarrrrgh!"? During this visit, I had read through a few posts. Someone commented that the left-hand ad column was slightly overlapping the center column, but it disappeared when he logged in. The very next topic I opened, the left-hand column wasn't "slightly over-lapping" the center column; it was centered DIRECTLY OVER it, blocking the poster's comment! It couldn't be read!

So I logged in and promptly posted this new topic. Of course in my haste to post this topic, I didn't check on the topic that had the left-hand column blocking the comment. I will check now, but I'm sure it's back where it belongs and the comments are fully readable since I am now logged in.

I guess the point of this is that if my 'persistant' log-in worked the way it's supposed to, I'd never have run into the over-lapping problem.

No, I didn't get up on the wrong side of bed this morning. I am still enjoying exploring this site (when I'm logged in! LOL). I bring these comments up to supply constructive criticism. Some of the problems I encounter may be experienced by other members who don't report them and without reporting, those problems will never go away on their own. (Besides, Todd needs more things to do! ROFL)

Oh, BTW, I clicked on other sponsor's links during my last logged-in session and didn't experience any trouble at all while visiting those sites.

Well, time for my medication. LOL

Darrell, quiet...for now

Submitted by dgwinup on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 12:10.

Gargoyle

Posts: 654
Joined: 2004-06-06

Same thing here

Darrell

I am having the exact same experiences as you are. I know that Todd is aware of it, but I am sure that it is rightfully low on the priority list. I have tried making this a Trusted Site in IE and in Norton, but nothing seems to work consistently. I am sure one day the problem will disappear magically. Okay maybe not magically but after Todd puts some hours into it. Till then we will all just have to log in. Please don't let a small thing like that deter you from posting. Your comments are appreciated, helpful and interesting.

Best,
Tony

Tue, 09/11/2007 - 13:07

PhilNSF

Posts: 95
Joined: 2007-08-06

An Occasional Problem

During some sessions I need to log in several times (twice so far this session). I consider it a minor inconvenience which will be fixed someday.

Phil Olmsted

San Francisco

Tue, 09/11/2007 - 14:55

steam-n

Posts: 159
Joined: 2007-01-19

There's Hope

I had similar problems a while back at the old website. A couple of the guys suggested that maybe my computer wasn't allowing cookies, and they turned out to be right- my internet firewall was aggressively preventing cookies on this site. The way to check is to disable your firewall and try logging on to the website. If everything works then you need to reconfigure your firewall settings to a lower security level.

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Just imagine! A grown man who plays with little trains!

Tue, 09/11/2007 - 19:59

sootower (not verified)

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dgwinup wrote:Oh, BTW, I

dgwinup wrote:

Oh, BTW, I clicked on other sponsor's links during my last logged-in session and didn't experience any trouble at all while visiting those sites.

On more than several occasions I've read posts similar to Darrell's, referencing "sponsers' links" on some of nscale.net's web pages. It's finally intrigued me enough to ask the question, "What links?!"

To this day, on the new site or the old, I have yet to see a single "sponsor's link". Are these links hidden? disguised? so unobtrusive that the viewer doesn't realize they are links?

Tue, 09/11/2007 - 22:24

Gargoyle

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Ads and Links

Sootower

If you land on the homepage without being logged in you will see Google pushed ads and links. They do not appear to those who are logged in.

The bigger question is how are you maintaining your logged in status? For many of us it is an ongoing problem to remain "logged in".

Best,
Tony

Tue, 09/11/2007 - 23:33

siderod

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Tony,Never been a problem

Tony,

Never been a problem for me. Once in a while, If I forget to lot out elsewhere, or if I log in on the laptop (Like I am right now), I'll be asked to log in...but once I click the "Remember Me" box, I stay logged in. If I delete my cookies or drain the cache, I have to log in, but again...clicking "Remember Me" keeps me logged in.

Cheers,
AR

Siderod (II)
Andrew Reid
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Wed, 09/12/2007 - 00:07

wag-zhp

Posts: 346
Joined: 2006-02-21

It's happening to me too

I have not had any luck with the "remember me" feature either. I've tried clearing cache, made sure cookies are enabled, and cleared my remembered session on this site. Alas, no joy... I have to log in each time I visit. At least once I log in I do stay logged in until I leave on my own accord. Ahh well, it's just one of the little things in the much larger scheme of life, and since it's not a huge inconvenience, I can live with it.

When it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed overnight! OohRaah!!!

U. S. M. C.

Semper Fidelis

Wed, 09/12/2007 - 01:21

Admin

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Don't Overlook Steam-n's Comment

steam-n wrote:

I had similar problems a while back at the old website. A couple of the guys suggested that maybe my computer wasn't allowing cookies, and they turned out to be right- my Internet firewall was aggressively preventing cookies on this site. The way to check is to disable your firewall and try logging on to the website. If everything works then you need to reconfigure your firewall settings to a lower security level.

This is an extremely valid comment. It could very well be that a user's firewall is preventing the persistence of their login to function properly.

Unfortunately some people don't even realize that both their computer and their router have firewalls and both could be running. XP and Vista have relatively aggressive firewalls.

Please try turning off your firewall(s) and giving the site a try. Then report back to this thread or PM me and let me know if it made a difference. Before trying this experiment, please clear your cache and cookies.

Regards,

Todd
Administrator

Wed, 09/12/2007 - 07:47

dgwinup

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I clear my cache daily.

I clear my cache daily. Cookies are cleared occassonally. (If you clear the all, you have to log in everywhere!) My firewalls are configured to the lowest level. I'll try turning off the firewalls next.

I know I mentioned (complained about) this before. I don't want everyone to think I'm whining about it. This in the first time I've seen so many other members commenting about their log-in problems. I agree, it is a MINOR inconvenience! I won't let it stop me from visiting daily, although I may not comment daily (which should be a relief for some! LOL Probably Todd!! ROFL).

Todd's busy and working his buns off to improve this site. I appreciate all his hard work, as I'm sure everyone does. I don't know of any other site whose administrator works as hard as Todd does to keep the site open and interesting for the members. That's it. My compliment to Todd. No 'but...' at the end.

I can live with all sorts of inconveniences. I wouldn't want this site to disappear!

And like I said at the beginning, those over-lapping columns disappeared when I logged in. Hooray!

Darrell, still here and still quiet...for now

Wed, 09/12/2007 - 09:34

Gargoyle

Posts: 654
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Fixed problem on my end

Todd

I took your challenge and tried some different things.

I use Norton Internet Security 2007 and its Firewall. I had made nscale.net a most trusted site. Even so I had the log in issue.

I disabled the Norton Firewall and enabled the one built into Windows Vista. Problem solved, even through multiple new browser spawns, shut downs, restarts, modem and router restarts.

I disabled Windows Firewall, enabled Norton and again the problem appeared.

For now I will stick with the MS Windows Firewall and not have to log in repeatedly.

Best,
Tony

Wed, 09/12/2007 - 13:56

siderod

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Tony,I've found Vista's

Tony,

I've found Vista's firewall to be one of the better part of the operating system (You are complimenting Vista, cancel or allow?)...It's what i've got on my laptop, and it's currently all that i'm running. The several-month trail for Norton has expired, and i have yet to get around to renewing it.

Siderod (II)
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Wed, 09/12/2007 - 18:16

Admin

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ok, we have some initial

ok, we have some initial results indicating that this is probably a firewall issue.

Now I know most folks aren't geeks like me, but you really need to get to know your firewall, it is a very important security tool. Most firewalls allow you to make custom rules. Rather than setting the firewall to the lowest security strength, try finding out how to create a custom rule that allows nscale.net to read and write cookies, as well as anything else that might be getting blocked. That way you can maintain a reasonable security level and eliminate your login aggravation.

Why, you may ask, do you have to go to the trouble for this site and not others? One of the most probable answers is the technology used on this site is a bit more advanced than some of the forum/cms software packages you are used to logging in to. Advanced doesn't always mean better, but in this case, the login persistence module is trying to keep people from stealing your session information. Its methods can be a bit aggressive, but they do help insure your security.

Regards,

Todd
Administrator

Wed, 09/12/2007 - 23:10

sootower (not verified)

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Gargoyle wrote: If you land

Gargoyle wrote:

If you land on the homepage without being logged in you will see Google pushed ads and links. They do not appear to those who are logged in.
The bigger question is how are you maintaining your logged in status? For many of us it is an ongoing problem to remain "logged in".

Here are screen captures of nscalenet's homepage NscaleNetHomeNOTloggedIn and NscaleNetHomeloggedIn before and after logging in - no ads! nada, zip, none. I have no clue what the ads look like; have never seen one...

Thu, 09/13/2007 - 01:06

Gargoyle

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SootowerWhat screen

Sootower

What screen resolution are you running? I couldn't recreate what you have even at 640 X 480 VGA!

Here is what the landing page looks like not signed in. You can see the ads from Google take the upper left corner and the middle column. Your upper left corner has the newest photo uploaded not ads. It seems as though you really aren't logged out, but I believe you when you say you are.

Enjoy the ad free experience!

Best,
Tony

Thu, 09/13/2007 - 16:54

sootower (not verified)

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Gargoyle wrote: The bigger

Gargoyle wrote:

The bigger question is how are you maintaining your logged in status? For many of us it is an ongoing problem to remain "logged in".

Sorry, I forgot to reply to this question earlier. For the most part, I'm never sure if I'm logged in or not (unless immediately after logging in when I still have the same browser window open- then I Know I'm logged in).

Since I clear my cache several times a day(I use a one click shortcut on my desktop), I've never bothered with the "remember me" option as the resulting cookie will be deleted before my next login anyway.

I usually don't realize that I'm logged out until I try to respond to a Forum post and the "reply" option isn't showing.

Gargoyle wrote:

What screen resolution are you running?

800x600 on a 22" monitor. That's what the two screen captures were. Here's another with monitor resolution at 1024x768:

Most of the Left hand column's content has now shifted to the left. The only over lapping is an image's long file name running into the center column's space.

Still no ads - nada! ?? Lucky me I guess. But I'm sure Todd would like to "cure" that in a hurry. I don't understand why the ads the rest of you are seeing, aren't displayed AFTER logging in? Seems as that defeats the reason for having ads in the first place?

Thank you for including a screen capture of what everyone else has been seeing. The new web site looks GREAT! That's my first look at the home page the way Todd intended it to look. Very Nice!

Thu, 09/13/2007 - 20:04

dgwinup

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Kidos, once again, to Todd!I

Kidos, once again, to Todd!

I logged in yesterday, nosed around, had fun, went to bed. Today, I didn't have to log in!!! It remembered me!!! Oh, happy day! LOL

I have played around with my firewall settings in the past. Did a few other geeky things that I didn't understand what I was doing. Nothing seemed to help. Whining to Todd seems to be the only thing that truly works! ROFL

Nonetheless, I am a happy camper. I know the log-in problem hasn't disappeared forever. I don't have that much good luck. But I'll keep coming back because it's so much fun (once I get in! LOL).

Thanks, Todd. Hope I'm not being too much of a PITA.

Darrell, quiet...for now

Fri, 09/14/2007 - 21:15

Admin

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OK... two things

This has always been an ad free site. I don't understand how this discussion even started. But no (logged in) member of this site will see an ad. Its been that way for 4 years and I intend for it to stay that way (knock wood).

We don't support resolutions under 1024x768. If a user is having trouble with the left side menu either get a better browser or turn off those blocks. Your account settings allow you to remove the left side menu by deselecting the blocks.

There will be no work done on the columnar appearance of this site. That part is done. I have provided a way for users to get rid of those blocks. That is my solution given to the user. Users would do well to get a browser that properly displays HTML and CSS.

Regards,

Todd
Administrator

Mon, 09/24/2007 - 16:43

dgwinup

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My browser seems to be

My browser seems to be working fine, but I did experience that cross-over column once or twice. If it was my browser, I'd expect to see it all the time, not just once in a while. Yes, the ads disappear once you log in. That's nice!

Everything has been working well for some time now (except I still have to log in all the time! LOL).

I have a friend who is currently setting up a commercial website. He will have certain non-commercial links on his site. I have recommended this site to him. He has promised to check out this forum and I suspect he will want to put a link on his website. I am sure he will be impressed with this forum and all it has to offer.

Nice job, Todd!

Darrell, quiet...for now

Wed, 10/03/2007 - 18:42

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