Question re WYSIWYG Editor for Posts and Response

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I am having a minor issue with this editor and haven’t mentioned it up till now because of everything else that has been going on but it seems appropriate to mention it now. 

As I have written several times, 95% of my posts are initially created using MS Word. I then copy and paste into the post where it looks good. Trouble comes when I first preview it! All the CR/LFs are removed and I end up with a single block of text! I then have to go through and re-insert the CR/LFs and then all is well! 

Is there anything that be done to avoid this from happening? I really like to use Word to compose my message because of the ease (full screen rather than just a little text box); the spelling checker (which I believe will be coming here?) and the grammar checker (often ignored by me but it does often point out something I have missed). 

FWIW: I am using Windows XP with all updates, IE 7 with all updates and MS Word 2003 SP 3.


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Your first mistake is using

Your first mistake is using Word. Never, never, never, post to anybody's site using Word as your editor. That is something that will really tick a website owner off!

Microsoft Word puts all kinds of garbage in the code that is behind the formating of what you create. It can really mess up a web site. As a matter of fact I am having to go back through all the blog posts because a couple of them are messing up the formatting of the site.

There are tools specifically made for posting to forums and blogs. You should look into them. I use ScribeFire which is a Firefox plugin. There is also a tool for Internet Explorer/windows called Windows Live Writer. It can be used on it's own or as a plugin to IE7 live toolbar. 

The great thing about these tools is they allow you to post to your blog (or anything else that uses the standard blog API) while you are on another piece of content. That is, if you are browsing another site/blog and you want to write about it or resond to it in your blog, you can just bring up the tool and it provides special funcitonality for quoting and using trackbacks for the site you are blogging about. When you are done you just hit the submit button and it posts it to your blog without having to surf to it.

These tool can also be used to compose forum posts where you can copy and paste or insert into the forums editing interface.

But the bottom line is, if you already have an WYSIWYG interface on this site, why not use it instead of going to the trouble of composing one place and pasting it into the editor.

Also, there are two buttons that can help everyone make sure their posts are ready to submit. The first looks like a little paint brush. When you hover over it the tooltip will say 'clean up messy code'. The other buttong looks like a little grey eraser. It will say 'remove formatting' when you hover over it.

You can select all the words in your post and click one of these buttons (or do it twice, one time for each button) and it will clean out all the garbage. This will leave your post as pristine as possible.

Why do we care about all this? Because in case we have visually impaired folks use the site, the tools they use will behave much better on a site that is clean (code-wise).

But please if any of you are using MS Word as part of your posting process, please don't do that here. Or if you must, please use both of the above mentioned buttons to make sure the post is cleaned up before submitting it.

Thanks!!!!! 


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Wow, much more information

Wow, much more information than I ever expected! Thank you, Todd. I had no idea that MS Word was such a villain! (That is not an invitation for MS bashing). 

”Admin” wrote:
But the bottom line is, if you already have an WYSIWYG interface on this site, why not use it instead of going to the trouble of composing one place and pasting it into the editor.
 Well, I like (or maybe I should say "liked") to use Word because I am very familiar with it (having used it for years) and I like both the spell-check as you go and the grammar checker. Both of these help produce an entry that reads like English rather than some gibberish shorthand (which seems to be acceptable to so many these days)! Also, the input area for the posts is really rather small. Yes you can make it longer but you can’t make it wider which, for me anyway, would be preferable. 

This particular post is being done using Word but I will use the two buttons you mention (which I have never used before because I had no idea what they did). I will also definitely investigate the options you mention. 

I am still surprised! When I asked the question I had no idea what to expect as an answer but it certainly wasn’t the answer you provided! Live and learn, I guess.


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Todd, I just downloaded Live

Todd, I just downloaded Live Writer and installed it. It did require a few answers that I had to guess at, but it seems to have worked.

I tried a sample post to my blog and it seems to have worked. I'll try it out further and provide further information. But right now it seems to be the answer for Windows users who want to add entries to their blogs!


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Todd I'm assuming this also

Todd

I'm assuming this also applies to WordPerfect as well. I've used both at times. But I primarily use Outlook Express to compose and spell check then copy to the site.  Is outlook Express in this class of troublemakers? 

I did this in OE and then the two buttions to clean it up,

BTW I hope you get a better Spell checker than MS has What with my spelling ability I need the best help I can get Emotions

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Glad to hear the writer

Glad to hear the writer worked for you. It is a neat tool. And no we shouldn't start a Microsoft bashing party as I used to make a handsome living off of them.

 But to anyone else out there (Ron included), there are applications written that actually scan site content for MS formatting and remove it. It is such a big deal that most Content Management Systems have such a feature built in.

I am working on widening the response editor and adding a spellchecker. There is also the capability to make the editor go full screen.  


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Try RTF.

You can compose and save a MSWord document in Rich Text Format.  That simplifies the code dramatically and is a widely used format.

See if that works for you. 

 

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Todd, Can you recommend

Todd,

Can you recommend another editor that will work with older versions of windows, like Win 98.  Sorry, my computer was made when the dinosaurs roamed the earth.

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Moose, one of the things I

Moose, one of the things I like about this place is that when you are not thinking straight, someone sets you straight!

Haven't tried it yet but I will.

Edit: On further thought I'm not sure it would work as desired. I suspect that Word has its own internal format regardless of how the document is saved. So when a document is loaded it is translated into the internal format and when it is saved it is translated based on the file type provided.

Not sure if this really is the case but if it is, a copy and paste would include all the extra baggage regardless of the saved format!

Note: I am using Live Writer to create this edit and I will copy and paste into the post!

Edit2: I copied and pasted and it kept the CR/LF!

BTW, Live Writer is really for creating and updating blog entries which you can do directly from it's interface. When you install, you provide nScale's URL and it takes it from there!


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Does this apply to PM's as well?

Todd  will these 'tips' work for the Private Messages as well? All my PM's look like strings of spaghetti!! Verrry irritating reading such PM's. TIA. Tongue out




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Roger, I had hoped that

Roger, I had hoped that someone might have responded to your question by now. I didn't expect Todd to since he only pops into the site once in awhile these days but I thought someone else might know the answer for you!

I cannot give you a specific answer but I will hazard a guess and hope it gets confirmed or corrected (most likely the latter).

Mu guess is no, the tips above do not apply to PMs! I say that because it would appear that forum threads and blog entries are the only input areas in the site that provide the WYSIWYG tool bars. The PM input area provide none of this and if you read the instructions under the Message area and the additional ones revealed by clicking the More information about formatting options under them, you'll see the information is about using BB code only!

That does not necessarily mean that it OK to copy and paste from Word though!

This is the first I have heard about the content of PMs getting fouled up. Is it possible for you to provide an example of one of the "strings of spaghetti"? Plus, is it just with messages you receive or does it happen with ones you send as well?


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PM's are plain

PM's are plain (unformatted) text.

URL's will become active hyperlinks.

If you paste formatted text, it should only show as plain text, and any hidden formatting code should be cleaned when it is sent.

As Bryan suggests, a screen shot showing what you get would be a help.

 


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