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    Thank for the update Drifter, we'll have to compare these to the other wheelsets already on the market...will they more prototypical like FVM's, or will they me more "doesn't matter what they look like long as they're metal" like Atlas. One would think that since this has been talked about since April, and they aren't due out until July 2012 they'd better be good. I mean, 7-8 months seems like an awfully long time to produce a wheel...especially if they've been working on it since April. I would think they could do a whole new freight car with metal wheels in that time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdCoastRail View Post
    ....we'll have to compare these to the other wheelsets already on the market...will they more prototypical like FVM's, or will they me more "doesn't matter what they look like long as they're metal" like Atlas...
    Best I could do with the picture from Athearn:
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    Hm, from what I can tell they look rather similar to FVMs...better than Atlas at least. Package of 8 for $8...so $4 per car, and that's MSRP. FVM has theirs 12 for $9 or $3 per car... Didn't see any bulk packs listed on Athearn's website...but even still if you have quite a few freight cars you want to convert, that $1 per car difference can add up quick...
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    Exclamation Updates / Correction Roundup #2

    More / Updated Link:
    N-Scale Freight Car / Passenger Car / Caboose Trucks:
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> A Few
    WHEELS OF TIME -> 6 Wheel Heavyweight Drop-Equalizer Passenger Truck
    BLMA -> 70 Ton Friction Bearing Trucks (Great for lowering ride height without modifying bolsters)

    Correction:
    Freight Car Trucks and Wheelset Diameters:
    50 Ton Trucks ride on 33" Wheelsets <-*corrected*
    70 Ton Trucks ride on 33" Wheelsets
    100 Ton Trucks ride on 36" Wheelsets
    125 Ton Trucks ride on 38" Wheelsets

    NOTE: Freight Car Trucks and Wheelset Diameters are meant as a rule of thumb, there can be variations to this in the 1:1 scale world thus also in the 1:160 scale world.

    More / Corrected / Updated links:
    N-Scale (Metal) Wheelsets:
    FVM -> Metal Wheelsets Axle Lengths:
    .540" (13.72 mm) -> Micro Trains & Athearn Trucks
    .553" (14.05 mm) -> Intermountain & Atlas(recent) Trucks
    .563" (14.30 mm) -> Con-Cor & Bachmann & Atlas(old) Trucks
    Note: The .540" is also available with a Wide Tread 33" Wheelset.
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> (Metal) Wheelsets
    NorthWest Short Line -> Metal Wheelsets
    Micro Trains -> Wheelsets
    BLMA -----> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .537" (13.64 mm))
    ExactRail -> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .538" (13.67 mm))
    Athearn --> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .5445" (13.83 mm))

    More:
    N-Scale Knuckle Coupler Names:
    Con-Cor -> Rigid Jaw Coupler
    Bachmann -> E-Z Mate Mark II Coupler
    Last edited by DrifterNL; 30th Nov 2011 at 09:24 AM.

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    Default Update #5

    BLMA has redesigned their 33" and 36" wheelsets.

    From the BLMA website:

    It’s no secret we engineer products with fine-scale details. In fact, that
    commitment puts us somewhere between accuracy hounds and, well,…nutty train
    folk! Label us as you may, our goal is always on quality, accuracy and
    reliability.

    Our fine-scale, N Scale metal wheels have made their way
    onto presumably tens of thousands of layouts around the world. Through this
    operation, we’ve noted that due to their slender profile and minimal flange
    depth, our 33” and 36” N scale wheels have not always tracked perfectly on older
    and ‘rugged’ track. With that feedback, we went back to the drawing board…


    Starting with our next shipments in 2012, BLMA rolling stock will
    feature an improved wheel design featuring slightly a deeper flange and slightly
    increased tread width. Both changes are minor and will not affect the wheels
    visual appearance, but our hope is to offer a great-looking, 100% reliable wheel
    for N Scale. It's safe to say that when you speak - we listen!

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    Default Update #6

    More:
    N-Scale Knuckle Coupler Names:
    NZT Products -> ProtoMate (coming 2014)

    http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthr...ProtoMate-quot
    Last edited by DrifterNL; 16th May 2012 at 07:14 PM.

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    Just in...
    ExactRail will be introducing their new metal wheelsets (33" & 36") soon -> http://www.exactrail.com/announcemen...remail07272012

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    Default Update #7

    More:
    N-Scale Freight Car / Passenger Car / Caboose Trucks:

    N scale and prototype information on all types of trucks with pictures -> http://www.visi.com/~spookshow/trucks/trucks.php

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    Default Update #8 / Corrected link

    More:
    N-Scale Freight Car / Passenger Car / Caboose Trucks:
    N scale and prototype information on all types of trucks with pictures -> http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/trucks.php

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    Default Update #9

    Micro Trains Civil War Era Rigid Wood Beam Trucks and Link & Pin Style Couplers -> http://www.micro-trains.com/nr-1303_CWtrucks.php

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    I've discovered the ONLY metal wheels that will fit perfectly into the Deluxe Innovations Twin Stack 5-unit well car set are Intermountain (standard, not the "For Mictro Trains" variety) metal wheelsets. Regular MT-sized axles will work on the other DI cars though.

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    Are MT's "standard" (not low profile) qualified for code 55?
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    N-Scale Freight Car / Passenger Car / Caboose Trucks:
    Info on trucks -> http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/trucks.php
    Micro Trains -> Many Different Styles
    BLMA -> 70 Ton / 100 Ton (Great for lowering ride height without modifying bolsters)
    BLMA -> 70 Ton Friction Bearing Trucks (New Product / Great for lowering ride height without modifying bolsters)
    Atlas -> Different Styles (The Atlas 100 Ton truck also lowers ride height without modifying bolsters)
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> A Few
    KATO -> A Few (Select a freight car under "N-Scale Products" to look up trucks)
    RAPIDO TRAINS INC. -> 41-BNO-11 / 41-N-11
    WHEELS OF TIME -> 6 Wheel Heavyweight Drop-Equalizer Passenger Truck

    Freight Car Trucks Friction Bearing:
    Banned from interchange service in:
    01-01-1991 for cars carrying hazardous materials.
    01-01-1994 for cars carrying non-hazardous materials.
    01-01-1995 for cars with trucks that were converted from friction to roller bearing side frames (Hot Box detectors could not detect them if / when they overheated).
    Freight Cars & Truck Sizes, What Size To Use?
    I found a post on The Railwire about 70 Ton and 100 Ton trucks and how to look up which truck to use under your rolling stock, read reply #12 -> http://therailwire.net/forum/index.p...html#msg199337
    Post from "Hyperion" on The Railwire:
    The rating of a truck refers to the capacity of the load the car is allowed to carry, and it is actually an estimate at best.Today, a "100T" truck can carry a 286,000lb total load inclusive of the car weight (i.e. gross rail weight) (263K prior to, I believe, 1994). A "70T" truck car carry a 220,000lb total weight inclusive of the car.So rather than looking at the capacity, look at the total gross weight (add light/tare weight to the capacity) and see if its' less than 220K or 286K, that will determine the truck size used.

    Freight Car Trucks and Wheel Diameters:
    50 Ton Trucks ride on 33" Wheels
    70 Ton Trucks ride on 33" Wheels
    100 Ton Trucks ride on 36" Wheels
    125 Ton Trucks ride on 38" Wheels
    NOTE: Freight Car Trucks and Wheelset Diameters are meant as a rule of thumb, there can be variations to this in the 1:1 scale world thus also in the 1:160 scale world.

    N-Scale Wheel Diameter Conversions:
    .175" (4,45mm) = 28" Wheels
    .188" (4,76mm) = 30" Wheels
    .206" (5,24mm) = 33" Wheels
    .225" (5,72mm) = 36" Wheels
    .238" (6,03mm) = 38" Wheels

    N-Scale (Metal) Wheelsets:
    Fox Valley Models -> 28" , 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets
    Fox Valley Models -> Axle Lengths:
    .540" (13.72 mm) -> Micro Trains & Athearn Trucks
    .553" (14.05 mm) -> Intermountain & Atlas(recent) Trucks
    .563" (14.30 mm) -> Con-Cor & Bachmann & Atlas(old) Trucks
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> (Metal) Wheelsets
    NorthWest Short Line -> Metal Wheelsets (Detectable Metal Wheel Sets used for train detection, signaling etc.)
    Micro Trains -> Wheelsets
    BLMA -----> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .537" (13.64 mm))
    ExactRail -> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .538" (13.67 mm))
    Athearn --> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .5445" (13.83 mm))

    N-Scale Odd Ball Axle Length:
    Atlas .568" (1,444cm) used under the 20,700 gal tank car.

    N-Scale Pizza Cutters:
    Have a look at MooseID's post "What are 'Pizza Cutters'". -> http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthr...-Pizza-Cutters

    N-Scale Knuckle Coupler Names:
    Additional Information -> http://www.nscaledivision.com/inform...n_couplers.htm
    Micro Trains --> Magne-Matic
    Athearn -------> McHenry (Info: McHenry Couplers and Athearn are members of Horizon Hobby)
    KATO --------> Semi Automatic / Kinematic (used on the “Morning Daylight”)
    Atlas ----------> Accumate (Info: Couplers are manufactured by Atlas under license from AccuRail, Inc.)
    Bachmann -----> Dummy knuckle coupler / E-Z Mate Mark II Coupler
    Con-Cor -> Rigid Jaw Coupler
    NZT Products -> ProtoMate

    Older, Other, Discontinued:
    Red Caboose -> Unimate
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> ??
    The Rapido Coupler -> http://www.nscaledivision.com/inform...n_couplers.htm

    (N-Scale) Knuckle Coupler Height(s):
    1:1 Scale Knuckle Coupler Heights (top of rail to middle of coupler)
    Source -> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/40...scription.html
    Empty cars -> min 32 1/2" max 34 1/2"
    Loaded cars-> min 31 1/2" max 33 1/2"
    N-scale (x/160)
    Empty cars -> min 0.203" max 0.216" (5,2mm / 5,5mm)
    Loaded cars-> min 0.197" max 0.209" (5,0mm / 5,3mm)
    N-Scale Standard Knuckle Coupler Height (top of rail to middle of coupler)
    0.216" (5,5mm) which is the same as the max height for an empty car.
    Last edited by DrifterNL; 12th Dec 2013 at 06:46 PM.

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    Default Trucks, (Metal) Wheel Sets, Couplers. A Little Info

    N-Scale Freight Car / Passenger Car / Caboose Trucks:
    Info on trucks -> http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/trucks.php
    Micro Trains -> Many Different Styles
    BLMA -> 70 Ton / 100 Ton (Great for lowering ride height without modifying bolsters)
    BLMA -> 70 Ton Friction Bearing Trucks (New Product / Great for lowering ride height without modifying bolsters)
    Atlas -> Different Styles (The Atlas 100 Ton truck also lowers ride height without modifying bolsters)
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> A Few
    KATO -> A Few (Select a freight car under "N-Scale Products" to look up trucks)
    RAPIDO TRAINS INC. -> 41-BNO-11 / 41-N-11
    WHEELS OF TIME -> 6 Wheel Heavyweight Drop-Equalizer Passenger Truck

    Freight Car Trucks Friction Bearing:
    Banned from interchange service in:
    01-01-1991 for cars carrying hazardous materials.
    01-01-1994 for cars carrying non-hazardous materials.
    01-01-1995 for cars with trucks that were converted from friction to roller bearing side frames (Hot Box detectors could not detect them if / when they overheated).

    Freight Cars & Truck Sizes, What Size To Use?
    I found a post on The Railwire about 70 Ton and 100 Ton trucks and how to look up which truck to use under your rolling stock, read reply #12 -> http://therailwire.net/forum/index.p...html#msg199337
    Post from "Hyperion" on The Railwire:
    The rating of a truck refers to the capacity of the load the car is allowed to carry, and it is actually an estimate at best.Today, a "100T" truck can carry a 286,000lb total load inclusive of the car weight (i.e. gross rail weight) (263K prior to, I believe, 1994). A "70T" truck car carry a 220,000lb total weight inclusive of the car.So rather than looking at the capacity, look at the total gross weight (add light/tare weight to the capacity) and see if its' less than 220K or 286K, that will determine the truck size used.

    Also have a look here (post #2 from MrMRL and post #5 from RioGrandeFan) -> http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?3,3141507

    Freight Car Trucks and Wheel Diameters:
    50 Ton Trucks ride on 33" Wheels
    70 Ton Trucks ride on 33" Wheels
    100 Ton Trucks ride on 36" Wheels
    125 Ton Trucks ride on 38" Wheels
    NOTE: Freight Car Trucks and Wheelset Diameters are meant as a rule of thumb, there can be variations to this in the 1:1 scale world thus also in the 1:160 scale world.

    N-Scale Wheel Diameter Conversions:
    .175" (4,45mm) = 28" Wheels
    .188" (4,76mm) = 30" Wheels
    .206" (5,24mm) = 33" Wheels
    .225" (5,72mm) = 36" Wheels
    .238" (6,03mm) = 38" Wheels

    N-Scale (Metal) Wheelsets:
    Axle Lengths:
    .540" (13.72 mm) -> Micro Trains & Athearn Trucks
    .553" (14.05 mm) -> Intermountain & Atlas(recent) Trucks
    .563" (14.30 mm) -> Con-Cor & Bachmann & Atlas(old) Trucks
    .568" (14,43 mm) -> used under the Atlas 20,700 gal tank car.

    N-Scale (Metal) Wheelsets Manufacturers:
    Fox Valley Models -> 28" , 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> 33" and 36" (Metal) Wheelsets
    NorthWest Short Line -> Metal Wheelsets (Detectable Metal Wheel Sets used for train detection, signaling etc.)
    Micro Trains -> 33" Wheelsets
    BLMA -----> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .537" (13.64 mm))
    ExactRail -> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .538" (13.67 mm))
    Athearn --> 33" and 36" Metal Wheelsets (Axle length is .5445" (13.83 mm))

    N-Scale Pizza Cutters:
    Have a look at MooseID's post "What are 'Pizza Cutters'". -> http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthr...-Pizza-Cutters

    N-Scale Knuckle Coupler Names:
    Additional Information -> http://www.nscaledivision.com/inform...n_couplers.htm
    Micro Trains --> Magne-Matic
    Athearn -------> McHenry (Info: McHenry Couplers and Athearn are members of Horizon Hobby)
    KATO --------> Semi Automatic / Kinematic (used on the “Morning Daylight”)
    Atlas ----------> Accumate (Info: Couplers are manufactured by Atlas under license from AccuRail, Inc.)
    Bachmann -----> Dummy knuckle coupler / E-Z Mate Mark II Coupler
    Con-Cor -> Rigid Jaw Coupler
    NZT Products -> ProtoMate (coming in 2015?)

    Older, Other, Discontinued:
    Red Caboose -> Unimate
    Intermountain Railway Co. -> ??
    The Rapido Coupler -> http://www.nscaledivision.com/inform...n_couplers.htm

    (N-Scale) Knuckle Coupler Height(s):
    1:1 Scale Knuckle Coupler Heights (top of rail to middle of coupler)
    Source -> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/40...scription.html
    Empty cars -> min 32 1/2" max 34 1/2"
    Loaded cars-> min 31 1/2" max 33 1/2"
    N-scale (x/160)
    Empty cars -> min 0.203" max 0.216" (5,2mm / 5,5mm)
    Loaded cars-> min 0.197" max 0.209" (5,0mm / 5,3mm)
    N-Scale Standard Knuckle Coupler Height (top of rail to middle of coupler)
    0.216" (5,5mm) which is the same as the max height for an empty car.
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    More:
    N-Scale Knuckle Coupler Names:


    Older, Other, Discontinued:
    Model Power -> name not known, was a dummy coupler

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    The Protomate may never see the light of day as long as DKS is out....
    as for the MP Couplers they are very similar if not the same as the dummy knuckles Bmann had.

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    Default Update 12:

    More:
    N-Scale Freight Car / Passenger Car / Caboose Trucks:

    CON-COR -> Many different styles

    More:
    N-Scale (Metal) Wheelsets Manufacturers:

    CON-COR -> Metal Wheelsets (diameter not known to me)

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    More:
    N-Scale (Metal) Wheelsets:


    Intermountain Railway Co. High Detail Brass Isolated 33" and 36" Wheelsets
    Intermountain Railway Co. High Detail Brass Isolated (diameter?) Wheelsets to fit Micro Trains Trucks

    http://www.intermountain-railway.com/n/nacc.htm

    Picture -> http://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=11588

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    Announcements:

    Joe D'Amato of Micro Trains has put up a preview of their True-Scale coupler system!
    http://www.trainboard.com/highball/i...-system.97901/

    Discussion / Comments here -> http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthr...coupler-system!

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    Huh, I was going to have to change couplers on several cars anyway. I might give these a try since I haven't built up a fleet yet.
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