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    Default Glover's Bend Construction Thread

    Well, now that the Summer Layout Party is over, I figured I need a place to keep a running documentation of the Glover's Bend Layout as I build it.

    So here it is.

    For those of you just tuning in, here's the track plan:


    Here's the Photo Album so far.

    Here's the Summer Layout Party Thread where I built the benchwork and installed the basic track grades.

    Here's the other Summer Layout Party Thread where I began working out the Electrical plan.

    Not much to report right now. I'm taking a few days away from the layout to catch up on car repairs and yard work, and planning for the next round: roadbed, trackwork and basic wiring!!

    Stay tuned, it's going to be a long crazy ride!!
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    WOW!! Great design and progress on the new railroad! I don't know how I missed the original 'layout party thread (vacation I suspect ), but thanks to your links I'm caught up now and subscribed to this thread to follow future progress. Keep up the great work TwinDad!

    Beautiful Chevy in your pictures by the way, do you know if it was a '55?

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    Hi TD,

    That's some great progress you are making and good to see the layout now has a dedicated thread. I browsed you Summer Layout posts but have not had much time to post comments as I have been keeping myself busy.

    Keep the updates coming.

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    Looking good, TD! You are much further ahead with this right now than you initially thought you would be. Progress is a good thing. The layout party was a huge success for you.
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    Thanks for the encouragement, guys! I'm glad you're enjoying the story, as I know I get a kick out of watching your layouts take shape as well.

    There won't be much here for a bit. I need to catch up on some non-MRR things (horrors!), and I'm waiting for $$$ for parts and equipment.

    I may start laying some roadbed a bit at a time in a few days.

    While we're waiting, any opinions on whether to paint the foam before laying the roadbed? It's mostly not geo-scaped yet, so if I paint it, much of the foam not directly under the roadbed will get covered up or scraped away...

    Right now, I'm thinking, just glue the roadbed (cork) directly to the unpainted foam, using adhesive caulk (*not* liquid nails), and then wait to paint the foam after I've shaped it.

    I'm waiting to do much of the landscape shaping because many of the landscape elements not critically related to track placement are as yet undecided in detail.
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    Great progress so far TD. Your layout party threads were fun to follow.

    As far as painting the foam. I painted mine right away because the pink foam kept on whispering "you're not done yet...you have so much work to do...hissssss..."

    On a more serious note, I'd wait until the landscaping contours are done. Like you said, most of it will be scraped, smoothed or covered over anyways. I'd paint it right before I apply ground cover.

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    Thanks TD for all the information and now that I subscribed to this thread I can use it as a reference tool for my build it's amazing all the thought and trials and tribulations one has to experience for an N scale build. Just coming into the hobby having easy internet access to needed information and ideas is indispensible and this thread will answer one whole heck of a lot of questions.")
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    I don't know what it is about this project and very cool old cars, but look what I stumbled across at Quizno's this evening...





    And I got a few of Ron's estate sale buildings, to test fit...

    I was struggling to find an engine shed that would fit in the very tight space in my Northeast corner. Ron had just the ticket:



    Note the water tower. Space was so tight I'll have to locate it on the yard lead instead of the service track!

    Here's the test fit of the mine, from the end of the river. I can tell you this - the XTrackCAD drawing was spot on, except the model Ron had happened to be left-handed.



    And here's my very own ADM -- err, Tyson -- grain elevator. I'm not sure on this one. It may just be too big for the "scale" of this layout. we'll have to see.



    And one more shot of the mine, from the front. Imagine a tall hill just to its right. I think its height will be just right, with a few more buildings in the way for perspective.



    I've also picked up all my wire, and a new soldering iron. It's a cheap Radio Shack 20/40W selectable model with a "station" base. It'll do till I can save up for a pro model to do my electronics work with. Heck, it just might do for a long, long time. We'll see.
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    The mine complex looks great TD, especially with the tracks down in that cut. Big tall structures really make the layouy shrink, don't they?

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    Wow! The buildings look great, they fit in nicely!

    Oh, and, let's take that Cobra for a spin!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Whiteman View Post
    The mine complex looks great TD, especially with the tracks down in that cut. Big tall structures really make the layouy shrink, don't they?
    Thanks! The mine area is turning out just like I wanted. I was concerned that the building would be too tall.

    I'm not sure about the grain elevator. It may be too big. We'll see.
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    Another update.

    Getting some roadbed down.

    Starting at the end, here's the overall shot of what I got done tonight:


    Bascially, it's the yard, the mainlines across the town side, one downhill curve (West end), and most of the staging tracks.

    Problem #1: The transition where the grade meets yard level. There's a bit of a gap that leaves a soft spot. I need to get something I can inject under the roadbed that will harden up and support it. I should have done this before I laid the roadbed, and I may yet cut out the offending section and fix it. Now's the time,eh?



    Problem - or rather, thing I don't know how to do - #2: There's a crossover between these two mainline tracks. Should I cut a thin strip of cork and fill in between the tracks, or just lay the track and fill it in with ballast? Or fill it with a touch of spackle before laying the crossover?


    Here's my rather messy attempt at getting the cork laid for the yard ladder. This will all get sanded smooth before laying the track. I kinda wish I hadn't gone with white adhesive caulk. Something clear would have been less messy-looking.


    Here's a higher view of the yard.

    The west downhill curve, and the end of the yard lead.


    Finally, long view, from the opposite end, of the yard and mainline.


    I do hope the pics aren't boring. I seem to be posting every little detail. But I do love pictures, and I might be a bit proud, like a little kid with his first Crayon drawing...
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    OOPS!


    I just noticed a MAJOR error. On the downhill curve that I laid, the roadbed was supposed to be in the center of the grade, not hugging the inside corner. There's no clearance for the cars to make the curve.

    I'm going to have to pull that back up and re-lay it!!!

    'Scuse me... got some work to do!


    OK, went back and checked. I think I was able to fix it by carving a back-slope into inside curve of the foam. It'll be under a tunnel, but even if it weren't, it looks better anyway.

    Whew!
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    Pics ain't boring. That layout is something to be proud of.

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    Nice progress!!!!

    Yes, clear caulk is your friend...

    I thought the roadbed looked a little close to the side.. Is this also where you have the gap? Fill it with spackle.

    I'd also use spackle at your cross over as well, if you intend to paint the road bed.. On the other hand, a sliver of cork to fill that is not too difficult a task. Wait until you start dropping feeders and getting the remote turnouts working..
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    The roadbed is going to be covered with ballast, and yes, the unsupported spot is at the same spot. So I suppose a thin line of spackle would be in order, just where the track has to cross.

    And yeah, I can't wait to start laying track!! I placed the order for all the basic electrical gear I need to get power in place today. Should be here in a few days. All I need is some wire management gear and I'm ready to rock and roll!
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    Hey, question:

    If you recall, I'm going to paint the staging area solid black. I'm wondering whether I should paint the roadbed & such before I lay the track, or if I should just ballast it with cinders?
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    This area will be hidden, right? It's your call but if it's not going to be seen I sure wouldn't invest in a bunch of ballast, black paint on the roadbed should be enough..

    BTW - I like your push pins.. LOL

    I'm going to ballast my tunnels only for practice..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzbass01 View Post
    This area will be hidden, right? It's your call but if it's not going to be seen I sure wouldn't invest in a bunch of ballast, black paint on the roadbed should be enough..

    BTW - I like your push pins.. LOL

    I'm going to ballast my tunnels only for practice..
    No, see, that's the thing. The staging tracks will be "hidden" in plain sight, right out in front of God and everyone. There will be a 1" high wall across the front, and the edge of the scenery rising however many inches up. But it's like an orchestra pit. Operators or viewers standing on the "river" side of the layout will be looking right at (over) the staging area, trains and all.

    The reason I'm painting it black is to attempt to create a theatrical trick. by painting it all black, and then having scenery just beyond it, the eye will be drawn to the scenery, and will ignore the staging area.

    I'm really leaning toward using black ballast, because I don't think the paint will look good on the cork,and it will be visible.

    As for the tunnels, I'm undecided. Because I do plan to get one of those Bic lighter cameras, I may well fully scenic the tunnels... and provide some "mood" lighting...
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    TD,

    I think the layout looks like it's coming along just great. As for the grain elevator, in the overview shot I don't think it dominates the layout any more than the mine. I think once you get some hills done and add some verticallity (I don't think that's a word but you know what I mean) to the scenery, the grain elevator will blend in more. One thing I'm curious about is the cork road bed. Seems everyone uses it under all of the tracks on a layout. I know one of it's functions is to help dampen the sound of the engines mechanisms but I would think that wouldn't be much of a problem with the track laid out on expanded foam. I've always used it just to create the shape of the raised road bed of main line track, but it seems people use it even under yard and siding tracks which typically don't have raised road beds. Is there another reason I'm not aware of for using the cork under all trackage?

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