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    In response to TD in the Car Card thread and assuming he was referring to paper passes (I never got into electronic passes... not clever enough and was not interested), I’ll start a new thread for possible discussion. Digging deep into my mind, I offer a short history of this practice, as I remember it, for/by modelers.

    The real railroads at one time (don’t know about modern practices) issued passes for various reasons/purposes for free limited or unlimited travel on their lines. It mat have been for a worker, big-wig family member, or courtesy to a visiting big-wig from another railroad, etc. They were approximately credit card size and are a definite collectors item if one is into collecting railroad history. Fast forward to the 70’s when I really got super-involved with a major layout, I subscribed to Railroad Model Craftsman which magazine had a column called “Pass Exchange” where modelers who had their own printed passes for their layouts (railroads) could have their names listed for possible pass exchange with others. I had some printed up by a print shop in Texas who did this as a specialty and was fairly active with it for several years. But, as is wont frequently with adjunct ideas, interest seemed to have fallen off and the column and activity faded away. Too bad, too, because not only was it fun but, I met some nice people through the mails, much as we do now with the internet.

    Fast forward to a couple years ago… I found there’s a group of modelers on another forum who are trying to get the practice going again. While there seems to be no specific pass printing service out there, that appears to be no hindrance as most of the exchangers print their own at home. And so, did I. I have exchanged close to 50 passes over the past two years. They are not as uniform in size as before but, nevertheless, a little piece of someone else’s railroading fun. Most are business card size, as are mine. Not only do I exchange passes when requested but, I frequently include one in the box if I have sold something to some one or just in basic written correspondence (sometimes I forget). If you are interested in more info on this growing pass exchange group, click on the link:

    http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/showthread.php?t=81668&highlight=passes&page=27

    Attached are a few pictures/scans of passes: real ones from the B&M and B&A, mine, and a few from other railroaders.

    Hope this addresses TD’s request for information.
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    Very cool!! I remeber QSL cards from my CB days when we would shoot skip. I am in CA and had soem from Florida and Georgia.... Wonder where they got to.

    So Dick, if I whip up some of my own, you into a trade? May take me a week or two.
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    Sean, I will be delighted to do so. I'm thinking I may have to print up some more, myself!

    I bought a business card "kit" at Walmart to make mine. It was easier to get a format that way.
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    Thanks, Dick! That's just what I was hoping for.

    I don't know but I presume the electronic passes are just electronic versions (maybe a PDF) of the paper ones, so you can email them instead of snail-mailing them. Interesting, perhaps, but like email vs. handwritten mail lacks a touch of the romance of old.

    The two passes you've sent me are in a special place in my RR records. I hope the collection grows. Thanks for them.

    I, too, would be interested in further exchange, if I can get around to designing one....
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    I've never done passes that are actual hold in your hand passes.
    I've only done the electronic version.

    The actual pass being snail mailed sounds like a pretty neat idea.
    I would like to have some passes from other members RR's to display in my train room.

    People that have websites showcasing their layouts
    trade electronic passes with other people that
    have websites to post on their site as a way to get their sites noticed by other modelers.
    Usually the pass is linked to the site that issued the pass.

    Here is the pass I made and issue to (trade with) other modelers with websites.


    Click on the pass if you want to see my freshly started website.
    (not much to see yet)

    Here are some passes that were issued to me from other modelers.









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    Geroge, anyone of those printed out in credit card size would look great!
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    Avery may make a kit with metallic papers in it. I know, I once bought a holographic sticker kit. The die cut stickers were six to a sheet of paper. I'm pretty sure I used a laser printer on them. Avery makes their most popular kits in inkjet as well as laser.

    Metallic paper can be found at print shops or scrap-booking suppliers. Because of the shiny surface inkjet ink tends to bead up on it. A coating of clear matte may fix that. Pressmen hate the stuff ink does not like it. But it can be done.

    Because lasers melt the toner into the surface of the paper they would work better.

    A better size for the passes is name tag inserts. They are larger than business cards. You can buy refill kit that have only the cards but if you buy the while kit the plastic badges will protect the pass from damage.

    I only snagged a couple of real ones for the C&NW for 1927&8. The design changed every year, to discourage fraudulent usage. The ones I've got were not good on the important lines or for commuting.

    I've seen a couple that were more like bus transfer where every ride required a hole punch.
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    OH, MAN!!! I SO WANT TO DO THIS!!! This is too cool!

    Now all I need is a name for my railroad. Darn! That will be tricky, since my railroad doesn't have a name, or any rolling stock ...

    Dick, I must say I love the conditions on the back of yours , especially #9
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    I have something I made years ago and I think I can adapt and improve it... maybe use the logo on some rolling stock too.

    tba_rr.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicman View Post
    OH, MAN!!! I SO WANT TO DO THIS!!! This is too cool!

    Now all I need is a name for my railroad. Darn! That will be tricky, since my railroad doesn't have a name, or any rolling stock ...

    Dick, I must say I love the conditions on the back of yours , especially #9
    MM, Since you're a CN railroad, a very simple name would be Canaidian National Railways, Middletown Subdivision. Just a thought.
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    Gosh! I would have never thought of that. I like it. Thanks! Sometimes the answer is just too easy. I can do that. You guys are apparently not concerned about trademark issues. Is it generally "okay" to use the logos? I guess it's not for any kind of profit.
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    OK, here's a first draft. Business card size. Printed one side only. It's supposed to be a fairly modern look, very clean and simple, except for the official logo...

    Feedback appreciated. The red is the default color included with the business card template I chose. I haven't quite figured out how to adjust it to the company blue yet. Oh and the little dots on the right-side corners are bits of the next card over. My screen grab wasn't too accurate.

    CHFR Railpass.png

    Same thing with ATSF blue instead of red. I retained the red text, though. Could go either way.
    CHFR Railpass2.png

    I'll have to print some to see if the actual printed blue is too dark. Might change the grey swath at bottom to CSX Tan (the other company color).
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    Maybe it's just my iPad but I'm seeing black instead of blue, TD...

    The design looks nice though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzbass01 View Post
    Maybe it's just my iPad but I'm seeing black instead of blue, TD...

    The design looks nice though..
    It's a really, really dark blue. It's the "Brunswick Green" of blues...

    That's why I'll have to print it and see how it comes out. And maybe play with the RGB's a bit. I have this blue (the Polly Scale version) on my fascia, and it looks pretty good in real life.
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    TwinDad, overall that is a good looking pass.
    I like the blue better than the red but it is really dark and almost looks black on my computer too.

    There is two things I would change though.
    1st I would change the word Not to Non.
    2nd is it says "Valid until Revoked" then you have a place that says "Valid Until:" with an empty space for a date to be specified.
    I would only use one or the other.


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    Quote Originally Posted by N-gauged View Post
    TwinDad, overall that is a good looking pass.
    I like the blue better than the red but it is really dark and almost looks black on my computer too.

    There is two things I would change though.
    1st I would change the word Not to Non.
    2nd is it says "Valid until Revoked" then you have a place that says "Valid Until:" with an empty space for a date to be specified.
    I would only use one or the other.
    Thanks. Good catches on the two text points. I started with the "valid until revoked" and changed my mind but failed to do the "cleanup". And you're right, it should be "non"

    As for the blue, I'll make sure the printed version looks blue. It's supposed to be quite dark (the color of a brand new ATSF bluebonnet), but visibly not black. And if I do an E-version, I'll also lighten the blue up a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicman View Post
    Gosh! I would have never thought of that. I like it. Thanks! Sometimes the answer is just too easy. I can do that. You guys are apparently not concerned about trademark issues. Is it generally "okay" to use the logos? I guess it's not for any kind of profit.
    Most logos are copyright. For a brand like CNR their logo will no doubt be protected by a registered trade mark as well. Depending on the firm, you may find them super aggressive in protecting their logo and brand. People pay to play. For example a company like CNR will license their imagery to Atlas. Atlas will then have to get each CN item approved. (that's speculation based on experience not first hand knowledge) and pay licensing fees.
    So technically it is illegal but in cases like this I bet CNR wouldn't give a darn. Now if you ran the Disney Subdivision that would be another story
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcns View Post
    Most logos are copyright. For a brand like CNR their logo will no doubt be protected by a registered trade mark as well. Depending on the firm, you may find them super aggressive in protecting their logo and brand. People pay to play. For example a company like CNR will license their imagery to Atlas. Atlas will then have to get each CN item approved. (that's speculation based on experience not first hand knowledge) and pay licensing fees.
    So technically it is illegal but in cases like this I bet CNR wouldn't give a darn. Now if you ran the Disney Subdivision that would be another story
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    I am seeing your second one as a dark blue stripe, TD.

    I will have to mock something up and see what happens. Today I am heading out for a while and leter I have a wharf to start building.
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    This is a little off topic but still related!

    Back in May 2007 I started a thread entitled: Business Cards for your Railroad? Of course the first post is missing now but as I remember it contained the business card I designed for Alligator Lines and stated that I had used the Avery add-on for MS Word for its creation; it was printed on standard business card stock from OfficeMax.

    The thread is not a long one and the discussion did turn to rail-passes (around post #6) so I thought you may care to give it a read!

    Here is the card:
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    And the thread is here: http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthr...-your-Railroad

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