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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoNW View Post
    I thought that, the Alco's first engine the 251(?) had all kinds of teething problems.
    It was the Alco 244 that really had problems.

    The 251 was the replacement for the 244, but by the time the 251 was available, the damage was done.

    The Alco 244 is the reason so many FA1/2s, FB1/2s, and RS2s were repowered before they were even 10 years old.

    While Fairbanks-Morse also sold a lot of diesel engines during WWII (submarines) the opposed piston (Porsche/VW) design did not do well on land.
    Interestingly, you can still buy a brand new Alco 251... From Fairbanks-Morse....

    http://www.fairbanksmorse.com/locomotive/

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    I stand corrected. Of the five FM's on the Soo, the last two left in 1974. Apart from the Dolly Sisters, who left in 81, the last of 59 Alcos on the Soo was an RSC-2 that was scrapped in 1976.

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    The last F-M product was off the property by the end of the Bicentennial.

    Looking through my reference book, you were right, Baldwins got EMD power plants. Alcos were rebuilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbender View Post
    Interestingly, you can still buy a brand new Alco 251... From Fairbanks-Morse....

    http://www.fairbanksmorse.com/locomotive/

    Paul
    I saw somewhere that someone was trying to revive an Alco PA for the Smithsonian that was missing a prime mover. Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoNW View Post
    The last F-M product was off the property by the end of the Bicentennial.

    Looking through my reference book, you were right, Baldwins got EMD power plants. Alcos were rebuilt.
    Is that what EMD did with them? Soo's program was three old for two new, according to Wallace W. Abbey, which was where they got their original pile of GP30's. Unclear as to if that program lasted beyond GP30's or not, but that's where the Soo's nastiest Baldwins and the Alco FA's went. Soo had 11 A-B sets of FA's, according to my info, all gone between Jan 63 and Feb 65. Baldwins were retired in this order: 8 DRS4-4-1500 - Most between 62 and 65, the last in 67. Their sole VO-1000, 63. DRS6-6-1500 - 3 in 64-65, the last in 69. 8 AS616's, 65-69. DT6-6-2000 - 2 in Jan/Feb 65, 2 in June 67 and finally a pair of S-12's, one in 68, one in 69.

    The Soo purchased 21 GP30's all built in '63 and 3 GP30C's built in '62.

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    Actually the Cheap & Nothing Wasted was well known for their rebuilding programs. They did the work in their own facilities. Dozens of Es, Fs GP7s and GP9s were rebuilt and used long after other roads retired them. Long before Caterpillar purchased EMD, the Road built a SD-Cat. It is memorialized on The Sounds of C&NW Diesels, CD. They even built commuter locomotives out of E9b boosters. The sheet metal for the cab totally scratch-built.
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    The five Crandall Cabs often confused visiting rail fans, not being able to identify the "new" EMD product.

    RS2s were a favorite fodder. Several were made into slugs. It could be as simple as plating over the cab, pulling the fuel tank and replacing the prime mover with a block of cement. More beautiful was a full body chop that totally removed the cab and several feet of hood height. The sheet metal work was so nice, it looked factory made. They were often placed between sister Alcos on the iron ore drags. The extra tractive force worked great on hundred plus pulls of jennies. Power was siphoned from the flanking locos. Each loco powering a truck.

    My favorite was a RS3 modified for snow duty. The entire cab assembly was chopped off and raised several feet, the short hood and surrounding sheet metal was removed. A huge single sided plow was put in it's place. Because this was the C&NW, the plow flipped the snow to the left. The Zito yellow paint quickly faded, so it was just a little yellower than the snow it moved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoNW View Post
    The Zito yellow paint quickly faded, so it was just a little yellower than the snow it moved.
    So thats where the don't eat the yellow snow comes from!

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