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    I would also suggest silver for the roof, white seems a bit unrealistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpnsoo View Post
    I would also suggest silver for the roof, white seems a bit unrealistic.
    BN's business cars had white roofs from about 1991 until they were repainted into BNSF colors. ( I would have to check for exact dates )

    Arkansas and Missouri's excursion fleet, at least the heavyweights, had white roofs ( it looks like most have now been repainted into a more cream color...)



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    The only other thing I am considering is white stripes above and below the windows, using decals this time rather than trying to paint them.
    To be honest the white stripes would basically disappear on the buff window section... I would simply stick with the two color scheme and save the white for the lettering.
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    When the Chicago Surface Lines ordered their first batch of new PCCs in 1938, they tried a new paint scheme. They went with blue and cream.

    They did do a stripe, but in a color that contrasted with both colors, it also matched the CSL logo...

    The scheme was so different that the cars earned the nickname "Blue Geese". The color remained until after WWII when another order was received. These were painted in a dark sea foam green replacing the blue and the red stripe turned orange. These were nickname "Green Hornets". Eventually both body styles were painted off white over a Dark Green. The stripes were eliminated.

    If you insist on keeping white separation stripes, change the cream color to something darker like a medium blue. A light blue wouldn't be enough contrast.
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    Thanks gents and so we are all on the same page here is what I have (almost) settled on:



    The only two points of discussion now become the roof color and whether I need to add stripes above and below the window section to break the blue a little. At least that is how I see it at the moment, tomorrow might be different

    Seems as though for excursion trains at least, a white roof was acceptable and used by many companies. On the other hand, silver or light grey may be a little more prototypical for today. I think what it will come down to for me is what looks better, and I mean that for both the roof color and the stripes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbender View Post
    BN's business cars had white roofs from about 1991 until they were repainted into BNSF colors. ( I would have to check for exact dates )
    Started in 1989, with the painting of the Executive F units. The cars were painted slowly, not all made it to executive colors before the merger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike the BN Freak View Post
    Started in 1989, with the painting of the Executive F units. The cars were painted slowly, not all made it to executive colors before the merger
    I was trying to find some photos I took of the freshly painted Executive F units... They haven't been unpacked yet (And I don't think I have digitized those yet...) That must have been in the spring of 1989....

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    The reason most steam railroads used a dark roof was twofold.

    • The best waterproofing material during the heavyweight era was tar. While most cars lack the texture, the roof was covered in tarpaper or canvas painted with the stuff.
    • The motive power was steam. Steam locomotives spew cinders, soot and ash. This settles on anything behind, in it's path. A dark roof hides the soot very well, lessening the need to clean the hard to access roof.


    The silver roof was rare in the old times did need to be cleaned more often though. It was more popular with electric railroads.

    White can be used today because most excursion trains are pulled by diesels which are infinitely cleaner than steam. Plus it is the color of a common modern commercial roofing material. Because an excursion train doesn't need to make money every minute it is on the rails, more time can be devoted to cleaning the exterior.
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    What you say makes sense. At the moment the roof is just primed white so anything is possible for a final color. If I were to choose between silver and black, silver/light grey would win out I think. While black is traditional for steamer rooves, I'd need to see it with the blue I chose for the road name color. That, I am assuming, will be possible by removing the roof of one of the other cars and seeing how it all looked.

    If you guys haven't guessed yet, it's all about appearances for me
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    Quick question re Couplers and Trucks for these cars...

    These cars have "body mounted couplers" which aren't an issue BUT can effect their performance on curves. What I am considering is changing them out for "Truck Mounted Couplers" to eliminate any (possible) curve problems.

    Can that be done?
    Is it a viable proposition?
    What trucks would you guys suggest?

    Another thing I was contemplating was changing the plastic wheels for metal wheels, so changing the trucks would be easier to do I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    Quick question re Couplers and Trucks for these cars...

    These cars have "body mounted couplers" which aren't an issue BUT can effect their performance on curves. What I am considering is changing them out for "Truck Mounted Couplers" to eliminate any (possible) curve problems.

    Can that be done?
    Could it be done, sure. But because of the steps, it might require extensive rebuilding of the car to get much additional coupler swing. It would be easier to start with Rivarossi cars, since they don't have the steps.

    What minimum radius do you plan to run these on?

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    Paul,

    Thanks and it sounds like a lot of work for little return. I will be running the cars on a minimum of 14" radius which should be fine. Most of the curves are going to be larger than 14" anyway.
    Cheers Tony

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