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    Default Walthers: Out to kill N scale?

    No, I don't think that at all, and my tongue is in my cheek, but I do wonder about Walthers' commitment to N scale.

    What prompted this was a topic on another forum in which the OP posited that Walthers really wasn't supporting N scale as it used to do. Another commented that a Walthers rep had told him that N scale sales may be shrinking.

    Might be something to that. As the boomers age, their eyesight isn't getting any better, and HO, S, O and large scale are a lot easier to work with.

    But one bombastic poster on that site does really think Walthers is out to kill N scale and force us all into HO or bigger. Really.

    Poppycock, I say. Walthers may ignoring N scale. It may be focusing on HO more. But not actively out to kill North American N scale.

    What think you of Walthers and N scale? If N scale isn't a money spinner for them, perhaps we will see fewer structure kits, etc., from Walthers.

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    Survive, yes. Kato, Intermountain, FVM, etc., seem to be "in". I heard recently there are 5 HO modelers to 1 N scale. If that's true (or even close), Walthers is where the money is - that's their business model.
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    "Out to kill" and "no longer supporting" are two different things entirely. Your headline would imply an effort to keep others from manufacturing N scale items. But the reality, it seems, is that Walthers is just producing less of it.

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    Walthers isn't out to kill N-scale , they're just not interested anymore, all they do is bring back some old kits ( the ones that sold real good ) and some old loco's . Is it a problem , no , is it inconvenient , yes , cause I would love to see many of their H0 kits in N-scale . But it's their business , and the easy way is H0 .

    I am a lot more concerned that CMW is going the same way, how many all new vehicles have you seen from them the last couple of years.
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    Walthers? I haven't bought anything from Walthers. Ever. I have bought from Walther, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by el Gato Gordo View Post
    Walthers? I haven't bought anything from Walthers. Ever. I have bought from Walther, however.
    Don't know a Walther that sells model railroading items. But Walthers has been in the biz for, oh, 80 years or more.
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    Didn't someone just recently acquire the tooling for all of the Walthers N scale streamlined passenger cars? Would be nice if the same thing were to happen with the old Life-Like line of N scale locos that Walthers has basically been sitting on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Schmidt View Post
    Don't know a Walther that sells model railroading items. But Walthers has been in the biz for, oh, 80 years or more.
    Isn't N scale track 9 mm gauge? Perhaps I was confused.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by el Gato Gordo View Post
    Isn't N scale track 9 mm gauge? Perhaps I was confused.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    Didn't someone just recently acquire the tooling for all of the Walthers N scale streamlined passenger cars? Would be nice if the same thing were to happen with the old Life-Like line of N scale locos that Walthers has basically been sitting on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    Didn't someone just recently acquire the tooling for all of the Walthers N scale streamlined passenger cars? Would be nice if the same thing were to happen with the old Life-Like line of N scale locos that Walthers has basically been sitting on.

    -Mark
    Yes indeed. How's about a run of truly DCC ready or even DCC equipped FAs? Seeing as how there hasn't been any since the very early 2000s.

    I suppose Walthers is sitting on those as well.

    Now that I think on it, one of the high-flyers at Walthers is the former editor and publisher of MR. He never gave me the impression when I worked with him that he saw much use in N scale. But Lego trains were just peachy with him. Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janbouli View Post
    I am a lot more concerned that CMW is going the same way, how many all new vehicles have you seen from them the last couple of years.
    I vaguely recall that CMW has issues with licensing in that some auto makers won't license an n-scale product because they believe it is a choking hazard.

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    Walthers bought Life Like and stopped making those good cheap LL n scale engines for some reason. Really stupid choice for a company that is supposed to be in the business of making money from trains, we all lost a good option when they took over. Sadly, their over priced kits are the only game in town when it comes larger n scale factory sized buildings, DPM (or whatever they're called today) won\t meet their variety. Anyone else feel completely ripped off by the tiny piece of garbage they call the Walthers Dairy Queen? I truly felt like they had scammed me when I saw what I got for way too much money. Their low quality train station is another over priced relic from 1973. I think Walthers see a bunch of stooges when they look at the n scale market, happily we don't have to give them a cent and I will do my best to keep avoiding them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Schmidt View Post
    Another commented that a Walthers rep had told him that N scale sales may be shrinking.
    Well if they won't produce the stuff, it's hard to sell it.
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    I think Walthers missed a lot of N Scale opportunities. From the outside looking in, to me it seems like they blame the lack of N Scale sales on a poor market. From my point of view it was poorly picked product that was manufactured to sub par standards and overpriced for sale. Take the GP38-2 they did. Why would people pay $20 more for a garbage Walthers version than a well done Atlas version?

    They could have focused more on some of the structures. Structure kits are cheap to produce compared to locomotives. If Walthers would have run the Ethanol Series of buildings in N, they could have generated some sales. I don’t think they wanted to take the time to know their potential customers.
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    When you didn't get rid of Rapido couplers until the 2010s, when 100% of your company's intermodal equipment is nothing but re-runs from the early 1990s and 100% of your N scale locos are only made possible by acquiring the Life-Like brand...you can pretty much assume they don't give a rodent's posterior about N scale.

    (But their N scale structures are good though, lol)!

    Fortunately, we're not dependent on Walthers or their stinkin' catalog. We have wonderful companies that exist today that actually care about N scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbender View Post
    I vaguely recall that CMW has issues with licensing in that some auto makers won't license an n-scale product because they believe it is a choking hazard.

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    Now that would be strange at the least , so an automobile company can be held responsible for a child choking on a miniature version made by another company , but a gun manufacturer can't be held responsible for someone dying by a gun made by them. Don't get me wrong , not a hassle to gun companies, I think neither of the 2 can be held responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpwisc View Post
    I think Walthers missed a lot of N Scale opportunities. From the outside looking in, to me it seems like they blame the lack of N Scale sales on a poor market. From my point of view it was poorly picked product that was manufactured to sub par standards and overpriced for sale. Take the GP38-2 they did. Why would people pay $20 more for a garbage Walthers version than a well done Atlas version?

    They could have focused more on some of the structures. Structure kits are cheap to produce compared to locomotives. If Walthers would have run the Ethanol Series of buildings in N, they could have generated some sales. I don’t think they wanted to take the time to know their potential customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janbouli View Post
    Now that would be strange at the least , so an automobile company can be held responsible for a child choking on a miniature version made by another company , but a gun manufacturer can't be held responsible for someone dying by a gun made by them. Don't get me wrong , not a hassle to gun companies, I think neither of the 2 can be held responsible.
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    Well, at least Walthers' latest runs of SW1200s has wheels with finer flanges and are DCC ready. 'Course, it took someone else's chassis to facilitate that. Eventually, even a stopped clock tells the correct time.
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