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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyO View Post
    I haven't had much issues with mine but after a few hours of running tonight, the worm gear rose up and out of the gear tower. Some light pressure on the shell put it back and place and got it going. I plan on shimming the worm gear it hold it in place.
    Any ideas on what causes the worm gear to lose mesh? I could never figure that one out.

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    I wonder if anyone at Broadway reads these forums ? With such a small markit I'm surprised they don't enter into this discussion. Would be good for them and us or am I missing something ?

    Tom

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    Manufacturers usually don't come in on these threads as it often turns into a feeding frenzy. And they often have reasons for what they did (right or wrong) that they don't want to discuss in public.

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    The sad truth is that most product developers and manufacturers (in every industry) spend far too little time on customer/user insight gathering...

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    During the Atlas forum years, I think they did an excellent job. If you had a glitch with an Atlas product, you'd get somebody from the company responding pretty quickly on their forum if you really got into something iffy.
    That's how I originally joined by the way - I'd had an original-run Microace Porter 2-6-0 and had spent a great deal of time improving it's performance. When Atlas introduced it as their own import, I put up a thread on all the modifications I'd come up with on both pickup and weight to make it more reliable. Atlas didn't strike back at all, just the contrary, set up a direct communication with me and invited me to be a regular on their forum. I'd like to think that my incessant griping about low frame weight and slippery wheels has led to some minor and effective changes as well. I know that Ron Beardon's incessant griping about the GP universals and their racket led to a complete redesign and a running gag of the "Beardon Block Company" on some layouts.
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    Wow. I'm really getting tired of the Industry catering to the hoarders and collectors instead of the modelers.

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    hmmmm.....
    them hoarders n collectors are BUYing the locos also.
    the more who buy, means there is more money for more new models.

    still, I'd like better mechanisms anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-LineSoo View Post
    Wow. I'm really getting tired of the Industry catering to the hoarders and collectors instead of the modelers.
    I'm not sure I'm following you here. Are you suggesting that BLI is too focused on schemes, details, etc. and not focused enough on smooth running?

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    'twill be interesting to hear the others thoughts on that question.

    mine is that in this case...
    Yup. BLI forgot to tend to the fundamentals of a model railroad model.
    Spookshow's rating reflects BLI's over looking that.

    it needs to pull cars smoothly and reliably.
    I was going to mention quietly.... the sound decoder being quiet may not be a good thing...

    so pull cars without additional noises.

    :-D
    as I like to put it; the wheels need to be round and concentric to the bearings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorsemanJack View Post
    I'm not sure I'm following you here. Are you suggesting that BLI is too focused on schemes, details, etc. and not focused enough on smooth running?
    Exactly. The former without the latter are called "Static Models".

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    It does seem as though some manufacturers are placing more emphasis, and focus, on appearances than they are other (more important) things. Just because something "looks great", doesn't mean it will "run great".

    I guess it comes down to the individual though and whether or not a "pretty", "highly detailed" model is more (or less) important than whether it will actually move and continue to do so reliably and smoothly. Although, I can't see why both are unable to be effected.

    Whether the finger of blame for that can be solely pointed at "hoarders" is a little questionable. I think that finger might be better directed at those who fall into the "R" word category
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    I'm just hoping that they're better than the Lone Stars

    -Mark
    I just saw this. It hurts me, deeply.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Gosha View Post
    I just saw this. It hurts me, deeply.



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    My first "N Gauge" stuff was Lone Star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    Whether the finger of blame for that can be solely pointed at "hoarders" is a little questionable.
    I wouldn't point it solely at that. But if the math is such that, say, you produce 1000 units and 750 of them sell to people who will never run them, you've already got a 75% success rate even if you left the motors out.

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    My parents owned a bar in Hudson County NJ in the 1970s - in those less enlightened days their ideal customer was the alcoholic... you will always sell more alcohol to alcoholics than to someone who sips the same drink all night... on second thought not sure this analogy holds up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    .. on second thought not sure this analogy holds up...
    It did by my third gin and tonic. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    It does seem as though some manufacturers are placing more emphasis, and focus, on appearances than they are other (more important) things. Just because something "looks great", doesn't mean it will "run great".
    I'm with you, but I also think we can agree that Kato, Atlas, ScaleTrains, FVM and others are making N scale locomotives that look great and run well. We N scalers have never had it better, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep expectations high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    Whether the finger of blame for that can be solely pointed at "hoarders" is a little questionable. I think that finger might be better directed at those who fall into the "R" word category
    Now I'm lost again...…. Must be a bad week. "R" category?? Resellers? Retailers? Runners? Rummies?

    A little help here?

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    Rivet Counters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    Any ideas on what causes the worm gear to lose mesh? I could never figure that one out.

    -Mark
    No Clue, I've never had it happen on any of my eninges before, and it just seems like it's too loose. The tolerances should have been tighter they just allowed way too much play with all the gearing.


    IDK if Broadway got a new QA Person but I've never had mechanical issues like this before with their engines. The sound decoders are another story but it just seems like someone dropped the ball on this.

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    Send it already to BLI the faulty Paragon decoder. I will receive the new one this week. I just wait to see how work and how long will last. This move was the last one regarding this brand. Until i will read a good review of any new one launched on market, i will stop shopping anything from them. Too sad but still satisfied by the old one which they produced in past.

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