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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroRedLn View Post
    Does this mean the quality of new Atlas N scale products will go down? <ducks>
    Heh.

    But seriously I get the impression that some of Life Like's tooling is quite nice, while some is good but not great by today's standards. Maybe the latter group will be used to expand the Trainman line? Personally I wouldn't mind more lower detailed locomotives as long as the mechanisms are up to date and they are priced appropriately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmeow View Post
    Nope, no BS. You are correct. To do business with China you have to reveal all your IP and they own it. That's why IP protection is non-existent and copying of IP is so rampant. I can go to a stall on the street and get a copy of Windows for a few dollars, burned on to a DVD. The authorities won't shut them down.
    you will need to expand on what you mean by IP.
    on the guess it means intellectual property....
    I am going with not quite right...
    you can hire the chinese to assemble your IP
    and here is where we do agree, the chinese will do everything they can
    to convince you to send your tooling to china...

    If you don't know not to agree.... you will lose it.

    the good news is that they finally know it can't be sold here...

    at this point I expect Atlas knows what they have purchased.
    lets hope the tools are in good condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmeow View Post
    . I can go to a stall on the street and get a copy of Windows for a few dollars,
    Guess I better start a shopping list for a trip to China....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmeow View Post
    I can go to a stall on the street and get a copy of Windows for a few dollars, burned on to a DVD
    I can do exactly the same ( well maybe not a stall ) in any town in the US or Europe .
    As long as I can model in N-scale, I know I'm not old

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    Erie Builts, PA/PB, C424, GP18/20, C-Liner, FA/FB, E6,7,8, BL-2, and DL-109. All exceptional locomotives. I don't even care if they make them DCC ready. That will just add to the pricing. If they do, make it dual mode, and keep retail at 75.00 max, and they will sell them as fast as they can make them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janbouli View Post
    I can do exactly the same ( well maybe not a stall ) in any town in the US or Europe .
    Not for $5 you won't. Apparently Charles got it.

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    So I happen to have a conference this coming week in Salt Lake City, and I managed to make my travels start a day early so I could attend at least one day of the public show.

    I talked with Paul Graf and I asked him about parts.

    He said
    1) Atlas only bought the tooling from Walthers, not the inventory.
    2) He doesn’t know yet if the tooling used to produce models will be compatible with previous runs of the same model by either LifeLike or Walthers. (I.e you may not be able to take trucks from an atlas produced version of a locomotive and put them in the chassis of a LifeLike produced version.)

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    Well that's a bummer! But on the bright side, there should be parts going forward...we hope!

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    I am hoping the tooling gets updated. New mechanisms for the engines using Atlas common parts and DCC boards.

    Updated under frames for the rolling stock with body mount couplers.

    Etched roof walks and end railings on their hoppers. (PD5000, I'm looking at you)

    Thrall stack cars get etched detail parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel_leavitt2000 View Post
    ...Updated under frames for the rolling stock with body mount couplers.

    Etched roof walks and end railings on their hoppers. (PD5000, I'm looking at you)
    I would also like to see the PD Hopper updates. Unfortunately I have a feeling that would be a very low priority task as Atlas already has the BLMA 5660 PD. They are different body styles, but they are in the same niche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmeow View Post
    Nope, no BS. You are correct. To do business with China you have to reveal all your IP and they own it. That's why IP protection is non-existent and copying of IP is so rampant. I can go to a stall on the street and get a copy of Windows for a few dollars, burned on to a DVD. The authorities won't shut them down.
    That's not accurate. My brother-in-law works for a molding company, and they are bring tools back from China. It depends on how your contract is written and who you do business with. Some companies will eat the cost of tooling to mold for a company, but this usually entails full ownership by the molding company. Now for the products I design, we would send over the CAD model for the part, just like any company in the US, Canada, etc. We would never send the full IP of a product to any company.
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    Hi Stogie,
    you have the first story I have heard that anyone has gotten a mold/tooling back out of china.

    I will hunt a bit. I recall a tale by from some one at Micro-trains.
    MT sent tools they had made(here in the usa I can only assume) to china for having a lower assembly price.
    when the deal was done ( and that could mean a lot of different things...)
    MT could not get the chinese to return the tooling.

    If that was on the Atlas forum it is now gone...

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