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    Quote Originally Posted by WP&P View Post
    One thing to be aware of, though, is that in proximity to the backdrop, the trees will cast shadows that might give away the planar nature of said backdrop. So you might need to take care in siting your trees, and perhaps even form them to be shallower in one direction (like maybe prune some branches off the back side).
    Thanks much for the very good advice. There's actually a foobie mainline back there (right along the edge of the layout base), so there will definitely be some concessions to that unfortunate reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janbouli View Post
    I use 3-4 inch trees on some places, I even bought some HO trees ( they're not on the layout yet ) , here's some photo's of trees on my layout. I like most of my trees to be at least as tall as a 2 story building, and am trying to fit in much larger trees , because that's more prototypical.
    Looks very nice, What sort of brands did you use? Or are they custom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    If thinking about pre-made, I always look at HO scale trees. More realistic size to my eye. When I make them, I do various sizes, up to 5 or 6 inches high.
    Those look very nice as well. Brand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    Those look very nice as well. Brand?

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    My big bushy trees are made from Supertrees. The conifers are all from Architrees on eBay. The skinny aspen-looking things are ones I made from pine broom twigs and flocking.

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    After seeing these photos, I may go back and replace some of my foreground trees with slightly taller ones.

    One thought about modeling vs. prototype (in agreement with Siegmund’s post): our railroads use a lot of selective compression, so whereas a 40-60’ tree might be reasonable on a landscape where you can see for miles in either direction, that tree might overwhelm a module where the total length of the horizontal space is much less. Also, background trees, i.e. those that might be several blocks to miles away would indeed by much shorter. Similar to modelers who use z scale structures to give a sense of distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danb View Post
    One thought about modeling vs. prototype (in agreement with Siegmund’s post): our railroads use a lot of selective compression, so whereas a 40-60’ tree might be reasonable on a landscape where you can see for miles in either direction, that tree might overwhelm a module where the total length of the horizontal space is much less.
    Selective compression typically applies to omission of details to build the model in a smaller space. If you compress the space, you change the proportions, and then you can't put something scale next to it.

    In other words, you model a building where the prototype loading dock has spots for 20 cars, but you only build your model with spots for 10. You aren't really compressing the dimensions of something, only the repetitive nature of something.

    Applied to trees, that means you have fewer trees next to the tracks, not smaller trees.

    Think about it this way, the locomotives and cars of our trains are modeled to scale. Trackside trees should tower over them just like prototype trees do. If they don't then you loose the illusion of the place you are trying to model.

    I've just recently started planting trees on my Free-moN modules. Most of the trees I have been using trackside are in the 3-6" tall range, so that's between 40 and 80 feet.

    Also, background trees, i.e. those that might be several blocks to miles away would indeed by much shorter. Similar to modelers who use z scale structures to give a sense of distance.
    That's an old artists trick called forced perspective. It does give depth to a scene, so long as things that are in the foreground scene aren't near things in the distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    Looks very nice, What sort of brands did you use? Or are they custom?

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    Some Bachmann, Noch , self made and some custom made by a guy I meet at the same show every year.
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    OK, I'm all on board with the BIG. There is indeed a little blockage as far as being able to see the buildings, but it looks so damned real I don't think I really care (note that the below picture represents the opposite angle from which this scene would normally be viewed by an observer).



    The best my LHS had on hand were Woodland Scenics, Noch and Bachmann, so I guess I need to look into these "Super Trees" that everyone is talking about.

    Thanks again,
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    This is way more fun than humans should be allowed to have



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    That looks positively GREAT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicago Rail View Post
    Looks real nice Mark, got any more pictures of that farm scene?
    I do, although they're a little outdated at this point -









    And yes, the prototype is literally right on main street next to "downtown". One of the many reasons this town seemed like a fun and interesting place to model

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    FWIW. my few cents:

    When developing NZN-Freelance, I too ran into this problem, and after a lot of experimentation, came to the conclusion that, at least for NZN-Freelance, HO-scale was the way to go. The 'N' ones simply didn't look realistic, and were very toy like. I also found that, at least for my purposes, Lifelike being, at the time, the the prefered supplier.

    Herewith two 'tree-related' images which might be of interest:




    Six-Mile Bush

    With the exception of the Yews beside the white Craft Store (alongside the road at right rear), and those on the hillsides, all trees are HO-scale
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    Scale: 1:148



    Konake

    A mix of both 'commercial' HO-scale and 'home-made' trees interspersed with houses and other structures and intended to give a sense of scale to the buildings. The House in the centre of the image is a scale 15 ft tall; the tree behind it is a scale 60 ft tall; it keeps things in proportion. The tree in the foreground was intended to act as a scenic 'blocker; and to place the railway track which passes behind and below it in perspective, rather than allowing it to dominate.

    Scale: 1:148
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    Trees look great what kind did you end up using?

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    S ARR T 8

    Thank you. My 'trees of preference' were the 'Lifelike' range as they were appropriate for the area and had sufficient height. I bought a whole bunch, intending to purchase more, but shortly afterwards LL left NZ!!

    I've no idea if these trees are still available; the Walthers catalogue isn't very helpful (or I'm not looking in the right places).
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