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    Default Wooden Pullman - Circa 1890's?

    I am wanting to model the original Lehigh Valley Black Diamond express - 1896. The original cars were Pullman wooden models, used for a decade or so before steel body models replaced them. I am having trouble finding anything available (to repaint or kitbash) - at least on the big auction site. Can anyone point me towards any available kit or RTR models?

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    Need to clarify - I'm not looking for an actual Black Diamond kit or model - I'm looking for something wooden and Pullman.

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    This is something there is a severe dearth of in N scale. The only RTR wooden Pullmans are the Overland cars originally offered by Roundhouse and now infrequently offered by Athearn. Overtons business cars are also available, but they're tiny. They can be used as kitbash fodder for longer cars...

    A company called Western Railcraft offered a Pullman craftsman kit many, many years ago. They come up occaisionally on the auction site, for insane amounts of money.

    I really wish some of the laser kit manufacturers would make some kits for early prototype passenger cars.
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    What ranulf said - it's a huge void in N scale. I had to go the slice-dice-and-splice route with Athearn Overland cars because there just isn't anything available RTR (and never has been).



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    That looks great Mark! Expensive solution tho
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    Thanks for the responses - glad to hear my research was not overlooking something obvious. I’ll probably have to re-think things. Or at least start working on my streamlined steam era or diesel era goals.

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    While this is an Australian 12 wheel wood car, would it work as an observation car for your train?

    https://www.shapeways.com/product/CF...ionId=64787263

    It'd need steps as Victoria has all high, car floor level passenger platforms.

    Alternatively, draw a colored side with all the detail, print it out and stick it to a clear styrene car shell or check out European coaches for kitbashing fodder...

    Just found these cars. They could be the start of a Pullman 'Foobie' express...Good price and still available on E.Bay
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/N-Minitr...0AAOSw4n1boT-e
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Trix-157...QAAOSw6GJZ6JLD
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/N-Minitr...0AAOSwrwJbmTzw
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    Quote Originally Posted by ranulf View Post
    The only RTR wooden Pullmans are the Overland cars originally offered by Roundhouse and now infrequently offered by Athearn.
    There are a number of listings on Ebay but they are not cheap. Can't tell if these are new old stock or still in production...
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    And when you need 2 of them to make a full length car, it ends up being even more $$$pendy.

    Hope the manufacturers are listening
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosslake View Post
    Just found these cars. They could be the start of a Pullman 'Foobie' express...Good price and still available on E.Bay
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/N-Minitr...0AAOSw4n1boT-e
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Trix-157...QAAOSw6GJZ6JLD
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/N-Minitr...0AAOSwrwJbmTzw
    Those might be really good bash fodder. Another option might be to scratch wooden sides from styrene and use old Atlas or Rapido heavyweights as cores?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jugtown Modeler View Post
    There are a number of listings on Ebay but they are not cheap. Can't tell if these are new old stock or still in production...
    It's been years since the last production run, so definitely NOS. What's weird is that Athearn announced a new run of the Overton cars a couple of years ago (still waiting on those), but not a peep about the Overlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranulf View Post
    Those might be really good bash fodder. Another option might be to scratch wooden sides from styrene and use old Atlas or Rapido heavyweights as cores?
    That was definitely a direction I was considering. Figure Iíll be able to find a donor roof fairly easily.

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    I've managed to wrangle a couple of the Western Railcraft cars, and FYI, the only thing in those kits that's worth anything are the brass sides, but they are really good. To do a proper car you're going to cross-kit it with a Lima heavyweight to get a decent frame and clerestory roof (the wood one is not worth the fight) and then add some different trucks. So if you think some of the other solutions are pricey, figure that out.

    Mind you, I still love 'em and I'm trying to use them for my 1920's circus train - which would have had non-steel, older, truss-rod passenger cars but full length. But wow, are they ever hard to find now. I like the idea of splicing the Overton cars in comparison, that's pretty good.
    Randgust N scale kits web page at www.randgust.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosslake View Post
    While this is an Australian 12 wheel wood car, would it work as an observation car for your train?

    https://www.shapeways.com/product/CF...ionId=64787263

    It'd need steps as Victoria has all high, car floor level passenger platforms.
    That is an awesome piece. Very beautiful. Unfortunately, the Observation car (Seneca) that I've got to reference:
    https://scotlawrence.github.io/BDE1896/index.html
    has a quite different rear end - fairly distinctive. I think it would be a bit to difficult to modify, and end up being a very expensive butchery if it didn't turn out well. But we'll see....

    I definitely bookmarked that page.

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    CPR made their own passenger cars but would the CPR Gooderham resin kits be a possible substitute/bash?
    http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/ggood.html

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