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    I am considering getting myself a Static Grass Applicator specifically the Peco Model. Yes I know they can be home made but that is beyond my skill level.

    A few questions then:

    1. Are they worth the money for what they do?
    2. How much difference is there between grass hand laid and that which a Static Grass Applicator is used?
    3. How hard are they to use?
    4. Can any "grass" be used in them?

    5. What are the positives to them?
    6. What are the negatives to them?

    As said, I am only considering buying one depending on what you guys tell me here.
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    1. It depends on how much grass you have to get done. I spent 150 euro on a RTS Greenkeeper, 35Kv, with the amount of grass I will be doing fully worth it.


    2. Hand Laid , doesn't stand up , but can look okay in the 3 foot rule , not easy to have a diverse meadow of grass with shorter and longer grass.

    Static grass on my layout:





    Three types and colors of grass used on this part:





    3. They are easy to use , especially if you get a good one ( I also have a homemade one , the difference is quite big ). There are masses of youtubes on the subject.
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    4. Static grass is used , any grass that doesn't carry a static load ( don't know if I am saying this correctly ) won't work ( grass made of wood , paper etc. ).
    5. The only negative for a good one is the price , if you live near to another modeler you might want to share one or maybe a local club has one.
    6. The positive , well it can make your grass look almost real if you have some talent.

    Here are some grass parts done by Martin Welberg , the Dutch Grassmaster







    Google Martin Welberg Scenery for more examples and some tutorials.
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    Thank you, appreciate the time you took to post your reply. While I don't model prototypical or care too much about what trains I run I do like (and want) my scenery to be s believable as possible and, from your shots, I think getting one of these things will be worth the money.

    You also mentioned the amount of grass you have - I am going to have a lot of grassed areas, probably something like 75% of the cut out areas on my layout will some sort of grass.
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    What I meant was the amount in square feet, my layout will eventually be pretty large and the amount of square feet of grass makes it worth the money , plus I lend mine out to friends that need them.

    The Peco only has 15KV if I'm correct , if you can get one with more it is better, of course the price is largely dependent on the KV. The Noch is only slightly more KV , not worth twice the price.

    I have no idea what you can get in Australia , worth googling for a 30 - 40 KV one from your location.
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    I made my own static grass applicator. I tend to be a DIY type of person, I guess I like to tinker. I used this video to give my guidance
    https://www.bouldercreekrailroad.com...pplicator.html

    Here's how mine turned out:
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    I bought a Peco applicator and a WWS static grass starter set (basing glue, layering spray, grass assortment) a couple of months ago. And if I ever finish this giant cornfield I've been working on lately, I may actually get around to trying it out. There's an abandoned farm scene on my layout that's just crying out for some long grass

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    Your DIY one looks great Ollie , I would say like the commercial ones , how much money was involved if I may ask , and do you have any idea how much KV it produces.
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    The most expensive part was the negative ion generator ($15.95) Produces -9500v
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    I picked up a 10 pack of the rocker switches at $8 (making them $.80/ea)
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    The PVC pipe I had laying around and then a cap from Lowes. Maybe a $1 or $2

    Wiring I had laying around. The barrel connectors I purchased a while ago.
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    Went to the Dollar Store for the metal sifter screen $1

    12v power supply produces 1A. I have a couple of these laying around. I find them when people are "cleaning" out stuff as they usually can't remember what the went to so they throw them away.

    The cup is from some exotic ice cream my wife eats from time to time. The container is great for all kinds of storage!

    So, all in all, maybe $25 total.

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    I bought and used a MicroMark applicator. It works OK, but I did not get anywhere near the results shown in @Janbouli's pics. I ordered a WWS Pro Precision applicator but haven't used it yet.

    Some lessons learned with the MicroMark:

    If you have forest or buildings you can't get near them with the applicator because of it's shape and size. And since I spray woods foliage with diluted glue, putting the woods in after was a problem because the grass doesn't look good with overspray. You could mask off the grass I suppose.

    It (and probably all of them) is useless when the air is humid which for me is mostly spring or fall. I'll lay the next acreage long about Thanksgiving when the furnace has the room dry as a bone. May even turn off the humidifier on the furnace for a day before I start.

    Mixes of short grass work best.

    If your layout is late summer, bright spring green grass looks a bit out of place.
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    I made and use a DIY version and it works great. I also made a static grass plate/box that I use for some tree foliage like fir trees.
    When I’m feeling better I will post pictures and links for you.
    Right now I will tell you that Katy Millat from the UK has some great videos on the subject where she uses the WWS and Peco Scene (same stuff) as mentioned above here https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=...9wNBZI37OvsFel

    I also have a friend near me who has the Peco Scene stuff which I have used and it works quite well without breaking the bank (I believe it around a $100). I find Peco Scene and/or WWS to have a very nice assortment of static gras and I now use only those brands.

    Pictures and links later I promise.

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    I will say this tho, if you going to use static grass regardless if you make your own or buy one, practice, practice, practice. It takes some getting used to and learning how to get the grass to go the ways you want it to isn't easy. I like the idea of DIY because I can change the size of the cup and screen fairly easily. Getting a small cup makes it easier to do along edges and tight areas. If you look at the one Janbouli has, it comes with different screens but the cup is the same size. Making the cup smaller and then adding the different size screens makes it easier, for me at least.

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    THe WWS applicators are really easy to use and resonably priced. I LOVE their static grass plate system. The micro applicator works very well for controlled areas.
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    I love my horribly made home-made applicator. It's not as strong as I'd like, it's constantly feels like it's on the verge of falling apart, and I managed to punch my self in the lip when I closed the circuit and it made a flash and a pop and startled me so I jerked me hand away and into my face.

    Should really made a new one, Olie's looks great.

    Are there any designs out there for more fine-work? Like not covering large areas, but instead getting static grass into tight spaces.

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    A little late but as promised here are some photos of the static grass I put down with my home made applicator as well as the Peco Scene unit. All the static grass is Peco Scene. In the lift out bridge photos from my layout thread the static grass is on top on either side of the road. The stuff below the tracks is a Scenic Express blend ground turf and not static grass.

    http://www.nscale.net/forums/showthr...756#post525756

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    Nice work on the grass! Ya see, this is why Moose require photos, otherwise, no see such awesome grass!
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