Climax A conversion notes

randgust
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Rather than get a discussion going on the 'for sale' thread, let's move the questions and answers over here. I'm glad people are enjoying these kits, and I'm still making a few. Because they are handmade from rubber molds, and pretty much hand-fitted and cut, there aren't that many out there. I'll put one out on eBay occasionally, but I've never had more than one or two at a time. The kits are custom-designed to fit the Kato 11-105, 11-106, or 11-107 chassis drives. Until Kato changed their distributor channel, even Walthers had them, and some distributors have ordered them direct from Kato Japan. George at Wig-Wag has done that. The price for the mechanisms is usually around $25 or less; very reasonable, you couldn't get any other decent mechanism for anywhere near that, which is why I started targeting conversions on that mechansim. There's one eBay seller - Plazajapan - that regularly has them. But he only takes PayPal and it can take a 'while' to get them in from Japan, depending on how backed up Customs gets on our end. But they do get here. I've got a good shot here to show just how SMALL they really are, next to an Atlas Shay, and an Atlas 2-6-0: The frame measures 27' long. You don't have to chop the Kato frame, everything fits right over the trimmed stock length. The water tank fits down tight over the motor to hold it down. You really can't fit these kits over anything else. One oddball thing I did plan for was for them to be static models if you wanted; just use a piece of styrene and a couple freight trucks under it for a junkyard scene, or a wrecked, rotted loco in the woods. I don't think anybody has done that, but I did try to design it so it would work. I have a .PDF of the instructions for both kits, runs around 20 pages and about 1.5MB, and if you contact me with your e-mail I'll send them out in advance, for free, because nobody ought to try one of these without knowing what you're in for on a loco this small! The other good news is that the 'right' log cars for this locomotive - short skeleton flats - are available again. Alan Curtis and I worked together on developing these, and they are now available again: http://www.nscalekits.com/ See the 25' NS016 logging car kits. Those are the right cars for this loco and this era. Class A's were made right up to the end of Climax production in 1928; this model - the 18 ton, steel-frame, and either a round or square water tank option, woodburning. Here's one of mine pulling a string of them: That's on a 7 1/2" radius curve, too, making it look almost normal!


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Re:Climax A conversion notes
How well would this work mounted on a Z scale chassis for Nn3? I've a friend interested in going that route with his modeling and this seems like a neat project to start with.
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randgust
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Re:Climax A conversion notes
I've had a number of people ask me that. I'm assuming you're targeting an F-7 chassis or something like that. When I first looked at this project, I really wanted to do it as Nn3 because the majority of Class A's were 3', not standard gauge. Some were up to 9' though, if you can imagine that.... I really wanted to do an accurate model. There was already a very innacurate Class A out there, built on an 0-6-0 chassis, with non-turning trucks, for a LOT of money. I couldn't figure out how they did it until I realized it is an 0-6-0 with the center axle taken out and two end axles - unpowered, floating on each end in fixed-trucks. They way that one is designed, on the 0-6-0 chassis, might be modifiable down, but you're going to pay $500+ to find out. I wanted the proportions right, trucks to turn, a true, normal, round tank where it belonged, etc. All that ruled out any normall B-B switcher-type mechanism. The Kato critter has exceptional electrical pickup characterics, and after they got rid of the dropping resistor and used a true 12v motor, has pretty darn good performance. They get that through frictionless end-axle pickups, which also means you can't narrow the trucks down, either. For the price of my kit you could probably afford to expiriment. I have a square tank option and a round tank. The part that just wouldn't fit is the front boiler, it just barely makes it over the pivoting Kato truck tower as it is. If you make a bigger boiler to hide that, the whole character of the locomotive is messed up and you end up with something that looks like the HO MDC "Class A Climax" built over the boxcab mechanism, and that doesn't even resemble a real Class A. The vertical boiler kit can be assembled so that the cab is TOTALLY OPEN. In that option the driveshaft is right out there in the open, not hidden at all, but it is so small you hardly notice it. But you sure do notice that the entire cab is open and it looks just impossible to be self-propelled in N. You can see the front of the motor, and the driveshaft near the floor, if you look. As far as for how they pull, the front powered truck has a friction tire. The more imbalanced you get the weight over the front truck the better it works. On my kits the 'woodpiles' are cast metal weights with one thin layer of split wood on the top. The boiler on the 13-ton vertical is cast metal. On the 18-ton, the entire cab has a removable cast weight stuffed in it. I've pulled seven 50' boxcars, some pretty heavy, on the flat. The only thing I ask it to pull on the HV layout are short trains of log cars, and it can manage a 4-5 car train, about the same as the prototype, up 4% grades. I've expirimented, almost successfully, with doing a cast metal boiler on the 18-ton. I never did get one that didn't have holes in it, but I made one that had few enough holes to work for me. If I was doing it over, I think I could do it now. Any further conversion ideas will probably have cast boilers.


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Re:Climax A conversion notes
randgust wrote:
oh, I like that one! open cab, etc. very nice work!
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randgust
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Re:Climax A conversion notes
Here's the one I've been working on lately. This is the early 18-ton with a wood frame. I made it by cross-kitting the 13-ton with the 18-ton. One of the major differences on this test was to use a cast metal boiler, which let me keep the cab open and use the vertical engine casting from the 13-tonner. I'm not sure I'm up to making any more metal boilers though. This one took me seven tries, and no, there is no visible difference. It just let me have the open cab option.


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