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woodone
7th Feb 2010, 02:57 PM
Anyone know where to get a GOOD small Phillips screw driver? I need a good #0000 Phillips for working on N scale Shays.
The ones that I have been able to find were much to thick at point of the driver.
Needs to have a small shaft too. Getting the screw off that holds the couplers on is a real pain. The screw is hidden part way under the trucks.
Thanks in advance

dcswift
7th Feb 2010, 04:23 PM
I have had good luck buying watch maker's tools off fee-bay. You might try there.

Boiler-man
7th Feb 2010, 04:24 PM
Try Micro Mark Tools

BryanC (RIP)
7th Feb 2010, 04:27 PM
You might also try Micro-Mark:
http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=screwdriver

MetroRedLn
7th Feb 2010, 04:52 PM
My local 99-cent store has a jeweller's screwdriver set for a buck!

16marvigj
7th Feb 2010, 06:11 PM
I picked a whole set of small screw drivers at Home Depot for about $5! :smile: It works on my small cars and engines!

roverich
7th Feb 2010, 06:23 PM
Either micro-mark or www.mcmastercarr.com (http://www.mcmastercarr.com) ....I got a set of 7 precision tweezers from them for 27 dollars ....

woodone
7th Feb 2010, 10:05 PM
Thanks for all of the replies.
I have tried most of the ones you have suggested and they are too large.
I have not looked at E-bay for watch makers tools, so will give that a try.
I have found several #0000's but the tips were not ground to a fine enough point to fit the small screws used in the N scale Shays. Will look at Mc Master-Carr too.
Have you ever looked at the small size of the screws on a N scale Shay?
These screws are very small, and have a very fine slot for the driver to fit into.
I am sure the manufacture must have something to work on these with.
I just have not had any luck in finding them.
Thanks for you sugggestions.

Bigsparky65
7th Feb 2010, 10:37 PM
I use the Stanley small set of screw drivers from Wal Mart.:cool:



Sparky(Jeff)

Bryan
7th Feb 2010, 10:42 PM
One wonders if they are not Frearson rather than Phillips?
Note the tip difference for the same size head.

http://www.sizes.com/tools/images/Frearphp.gif

woodone
8th Feb 2010, 09:19 AM
One wonders if they are not Frearson rather than Phillips?
Note the tip difference for the same size head.

http://www.sizes.com/tools/images/Frearphp.gif

Thanks Bryan.
That looks to be the type used in the N scale Shays.
I had never heard of the Frearson screws before. Now to find a driver for them.
Thanks again.
I am off to search for a Frearson screw driver.

rpcelect
8th Feb 2010, 11:10 AM
If you have a Home Depot nearby, go to the tool section and look for this little micro tool kit:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/7c/7c49711f-7569-488f-acf1-387f864410cc_300.jpg

http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Hand-Tools-Screwdrivers/General-Tools/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5Zas0kZ404/R-100373859/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I have about 5 of these sets because so many hobbies of mine need small screwdrivers and these are really top notch! You get a full set of micro phillips, flathead, torx, square and a few other special tips.

Las Vegas UP
8th Feb 2010, 11:19 AM
I have a set of jewer's screwdrivers. Six come in the set, and they fit just about anywhere.

woodone
8th Feb 2010, 09:34 PM
rpcilect.
Looks to be a nice set of screw drivers. The set has only a #1 and a #0 Phillips. Too big.
The problem is as Bryon has pointed out, is these small screws in the N scale Shay are NOT Phillips. They are more than likely the Frearson or Japanese standard.
The screws will be in the#0000 class if you compare them to the Phillips.

Las Vegas UP.
I have several of these sets of these. All of them are way too large. Most of the sets come with at #1 and a #0 Phillips and these are much too large.
Thanks for all the help.
I am now looking for a small Frearson type driver.

Bryan
8th Feb 2010, 11:03 PM
If it helps;
Frearson drives are also known as ANSI Type II.
Frearson are a 73° included angle.
Phillips are a 123° included angle.

Gen
9th Feb 2010, 12:44 AM
Down at the bottom of this page:

http://www.ehobbytools.com/contents/en-us/d3.html (http://www.ehobbytools.com/contents/en-us/d3.html)



Precision Screw Driver 6 Piece Set All Phillips

20880


http://www.ehobbytools.com/contents/media/20880s.jpg
(http://www.ehobbytools.com/contents/media/20880.jpg)


This 6 piece set contains 6 phillips screw drivers 0000, 000, 00, 0, 1 and 1.5. Each screw driver has a swivel top that is perfect for those small jobs or working on trains, slot cars, model airplanes, miniatures or doll houses. Comes in a plastic case

woodone
9th Feb 2010, 09:06 AM
Thanks Gen.
At least the set you have found has a #0000 Phillips. Most don't.
Still not sure it will work.
Might be a nice addition to the tool box. I am a tool freak any way

ranulf
11th Feb 2010, 03:43 AM
I don't know if any of these are what you need, but here's a couple sources for watchmaker's screwdrivers:

http://www.esslinger.com/screwdrivers-1.aspx

http://www.findingking.com/c-2914-watchmakers-screwdrivers.aspx

quietstorm
11th Feb 2010, 11:06 AM
I think the watchmakers screwdriver might work better than the #00 i have. It wont even come close to breaking the screw loose on my atlas geep.

16marvigj
15th Feb 2010, 04:45 PM
If you have a Home Depot nearby, go to the tool section and look for this little micro tool kit:


http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Hand-Tools-Screwdrivers/General-Tools/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5Zas0kZ404/R-100373859/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I have about 5 of these sets because so many hobbies of mine need small screwdrivers and these are really top notch! You get a full set of micro phillips, flathead, torx, square and a few other special tips.


Yes, that would be similar to what I got!

quietstorm
21st Feb 2010, 12:40 PM
I recently just purchased at Target, one of their eye glass repair kits they sell. its neat. its on a key chain, it has a hex bolt opening at the end, then you can unscrew the parts going up the lil metal piece and ones another hex, then another is a flat and last is a phillips. its a neat lil piece. it did cost 5.99 but i gave the spray and the cloth to my girl for her reading glasses. Also found a nice set of 6 hobby files at menards(like a home depot or lowes but with some pet, books, movies and grocery).

hotrod4x5
21st Feb 2010, 01:39 PM
If you have a Home Depot nearby, go to the tool section and look for this little micro tool kit:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/7c/7c49711f-7569-488f-acf1-387f864410cc_300.jpg

http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Hand-Tools-Screwdrivers/General-Tools/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xr5Zas0kZ404/R-100373859/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

I have about 5 of these sets because so many hobbies of mine need small screwdrivers and these are really top notch! You get a full set of micro phillips, flathead, torx, square and a few other special tips.According to the website, it only has a 000, no 0000.

abbyjhon
26th Apr 2011, 01:44 AM
You can take all types of fasteners product information here…

BryanC (RIP)
26th Apr 2011, 08:02 AM
You can take all types of fasteners product information here… :confused::confused::confused:

Also, this thread is about 14 months old! :surprised:

ChicagoNW
26th Apr 2011, 04:46 PM
On the tiny Phillips screws that Look Models use to hold the car together, I've used the $2 set of screwdrivers. When the Phillips blades are o thick, I'll take a flle to them. If that doesn't work, I find that the flat small blades work well. The screw do not need a lot of torque to turn.

bbrewbaker
26th Apr 2011, 08:20 PM
That's what i have. They work perfect for the train stuff.
Also good for working on laptop computers for us guys that also repair computers.