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ThirdCoastRail
6th Aug 2011, 01:55 AM
So I've been throwing around the idea lately of putting together a private roadname. Not that I don't have enough prototype roads to keep me busy as it is...

I've had the term "Third Coast" floating around in my head for awhile (thus the username I chose when I joined this site). I first heard the term when I went to architecture school in Milwaukee, the school store was named Third Coast. I'd never heard the term before that, but it's sometimes used to refer to the Great Lakes region in America, in contrast to the East Coast and West Coast.

I've slowly been working on a logo, kind of picking out various things I liked from real railroads. In no particular order:

1. Montana Rail Link or ATSF dark blue
2. Burlington Northern Executive cream
3. BNSF font and swooshy logo.

http://i51.tinypic.com/fjjjlv.jpg

I guess this is more of a style I wished BNSF would have gone with...I really can't stand green & orange, haha!


1st Draft - Side Logo - Version 1
http://i52.tinypic.com/2en84jo.jpg




1st Draft - Side Logo - Version 2
http://i56.tinypic.com/2i88ayw.jpg




1st Draft - Side Logo - Version 3
http://i55.tinypic.com/a3e68j.jpg




1st Draft - Side Logo - Version 4
http://i54.tinypic.com/vsgf0g.jpg




1st Draft - Nose Herald - Version 1

http://i55.tinypic.com/301nfuv.jpg




1st Draft - Nose Herald w/ Stripes - Version 2

http://i53.tinypic.com/2z6y050.jpg

Geep
6th Aug 2011, 02:36 AM
Its also use a lot to refer to the Gulf coast, at least around here, especially with surfers. Nice logo, the swoosh is reminiscent of BNSF.

ChicagoNW
6th Aug 2011, 11:06 AM
If you look out there, you can find the New BNSF fonts for FREE.
Also check out http://paintshop.railfan.net/
They have outlines of locomotives that you can try design your on.

Here is an image that is a true fantasy. The outlines for the locos came from the Paintshop. The Atlanta area Government is anti rail. They repave a road because the paint stripes have faded rather than invest in a proper rail system.
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I would suggest adding the outline of the Great Lakes on or around the logo to explain the term.
The dark blue and cream are a classic combination. You'll have to add a third color if you want to imitate those ugly pumpkins though. Maybe a Duluxe Gold.

WP&P
6th Aug 2011, 01:08 PM
Any chance you could make the "C" such that it has a thicker bottom stroke and no curl at the tips, so that it would have a hollow feature that is the reverse of the hole in the "R"? then you could have a figure/ground ambiguity where the gap in the T aligns with the holes in the C and R, and creates a linear element. You might have to do it via drafting your own shapes, rather than as a font thing.

Also, I assume this is a modern logo; this wouldn't look right for a layout set in the 50's or earlier. I also recommend a third color, whether Dulux or even just black. If black, it might not show up in the logo per se, but rather just be applied to a portion of the engine or car body.

ChicagoNW
6th Aug 2011, 01:09 PM
A bit of information for you.
The BNSF lettering is a variation of Cooper Black.
Here's some ideas I've knocked together.
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ThirdCoastRail
6th Aug 2011, 01:23 PM
ChicagoNW, one step ahead of you there, I found those loco outlines awhile ago (probably the same site). And I know what you mean, the Wisconsin govt is anti rail, we're getting some new Talgo cars for the Milwaukee-Chicago Hiawatha, but no new locos and no upgrades from Milwaukee to Minneapolis. Plus, no ones made N scale Talgo cars in quite awhile...if they re-issue them I'd consider doing a red & white P42.

*Edit* I really like the outlined arrowhead logo, might have to incorporate that into future versions. Kind of a modern take on the DMIR logo.

WP&P, I see what you mean, I can fix the C up a little once I get the rest of the scheme nailed down a little more.

http://i51.tinypic.com/29zo8ld.jpg

MP-15DC - Version 4

ThirdCoastRail
7th Aug 2011, 07:37 PM
Updated the MP-15DC drawing a bit with some stripes and labels. I'm fairly pleased with it so far. I'll have to start doing some research on custom decals. I think what I'll do first is pick up the actual paint and get some inkjet decal paper and do some tests to try to color match the blue in the decal with the blue paint. If that doesn't work I'll have to try contacting Kaydee or another company that does custom decals and find out how they would suggest matching a particular brand of paint. Of course, I'll have to pick up an undecorated shell first, or a decorated one and learn how to strip it.

http://i55.tinypic.com/o02idt.jpg

ChicagoNW
7th Aug 2011, 11:34 PM
I LIKE THE CHANGES!!!

The gold adds a spark. The larger arrow creates a dynamic. And the Great Lakes explain the region served. All parts combine to make an ideal logo form. The best logos work in a single color as well as several. They should fit on a pen as easily as they fill the side of a building.

By creating the nose art as well as the side design, you are on your way to creating a corporate identity.

Decals and paint stripping have been discussed many times. A search for these pics would help you. Commercially produced decals can be expensive and there is a minimum order.

TwinDad
8th Aug 2011, 09:02 AM
I really like what you're doing here. That latest revision of the MP15DC is great. Simple, clean, and sharp. The yellow chevron adds a nice spark, I agree.

My only concern is how easy it will be to replicate the Great Lakes in that size. You may need to make them bigger, or they could show up as little unrecognizable dots...

Mill-Bay
8th Aug 2011, 12:07 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/a3e68j.jpg








If this unit is numbered 1976, shouldn't you add a little bit of red and make it a bicentennial color scheme. :D

baronjutter
8th Aug 2011, 12:51 PM
I've always wanted to do something like this, but how do you get your logo onto the train in a way that looks nice??

ThirdCoastRail
8th Aug 2011, 06:12 PM
If this unit is numbered 1976, shouldn't you add a little bit of red and make it a bicentennial color scheme. :D

More importantly I was born in '76, hehe.


TD, yeah, I've thought about that, I donno how blobby it would turn out on an N scale decal, certainly if I tried printing them myself. Only one way to find out I guess.

baronjutter, I haven't gotten that far yet, I'm new to custom paint jobs myself. I've only just started to research how I can get some decals made. But however I figure out how to do it I'll be sure to post it here!

will13
8th Aug 2011, 06:23 PM
Thats awesome. I really like the second nose in your first post. I'm excited to see how this turns out!

Trainz35
30th Nov 2011, 08:09 PM
What program are you using to paint those schemes? Microsoft Paint?

-Scott

Stogie
1st Dec 2011, 12:47 AM
They all look great. Maybe use several schemes, as prototypes are not always updated immediately. I would use the fancier logos with the dipping white sections for early units and straight white sections for newer as a "cost savings" by TCR management. I agree with the Great Lakes on the side.

What do you use for artwork? I use CorelDraw and Inkscape, the latter is a free to use program. Here are some examples of my using the Great Lakes outline: http://todengine.websitetoolbox.com/post/Steel-Mill-Logos-2914182?trail=25

ChicagoNW
1st Dec 2011, 04:21 AM
What program are you using to paint those schemes? Microsoft Paint?

-Scott

Vector based programs like Illustrator and Corel Draw are best for creating logos. The artwork can be scaled to fit a wall on a real building or on the door on an N scale car.

Anything with the words Paint or Microsoft on them cannot create art that can be scaled without being redrawn.

Stogie
1st Dec 2011, 09:25 AM
Anything with the words Paint or Microsoft on them cannot create art that can be scaled without being redrawn.

LMAO! So true. I should mention to anyone interested, that Inkscape is not only free to use, but also a vector based program. What this means is, it is lines and circles that create something, not pixels. Essentially like CAD software. For raster images (pixels) a nice free to use program is GIMP.

Inkscape: http://inkscape.org/
GIMP: http://www.gimp.org/

WP&P
1st Dec 2011, 01:24 PM
For any folks who might be confused by the terms "vector" and "raster", here is how I would describe them. "Vector" means that the image file contains instructions like "draw a line from A to B". "Raster" means that the image file contains instructions like "make such-and-so pixel black".


When you enlarge a vector image, the locations of A and B change, but the instruction in the file doesn't change, so the computer still draws as fine a line as it can between those points. For a raster image, though, enlargement means making each pixel bigger; image editors can then try to smooth things out with algorithms to try to reduce the apparent blockiness.


When you're just talking about simple lines like this, there might not be as much obvious benefit to vector art. But certain other tricks, like a gradient fill on an oddball shape, are super easy in a vector art context, yet close to impossible in raster. A vector art gradient that goes from red to yellow, for instance, would contain all hues of orange between those endpoints, but could be expressed just in terms of the beginning and ending colors (the computer does the tedious work of figuring out what all those colors are). To paint the same thing in a raster art editor like MS Paint means that you have to paint the first pixel red, paint the next pixel red-orange, then the next one vermillion, then the next one orange-red, then one that is true orange... and so on, picking a new color for each pixel until you get to yellow. Perhaps not impossible, but difficult and prone to error.


Then, consider what happens when you want to edit that gradient so that it goes from red to yellow-orange instead. It's one simple change in vector art. Even the simple line has properties not only of length and color but also width (or stroke), each of which can be readily changed in vector art but not so easily in raster art.