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seabilliau
27th Feb 2012, 11:15 PM
Amtrak fans (the few, the proud...),
How do we go about persuading a company to produce the new Amtrak loco, ACS-64? No one every produced the AEM-7 which, from what I have read in past posts on this site and others, is many modelers favorite modern Amtrak loco. I am sure there are many folks who could care less, but I think this would make a great locol to add to any Amtrak collection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_ACS-64

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Herc Driver
28th Feb 2012, 11:51 AM
To me, this idea has Bachmann written all over it since they're so heavily involved with Amtrak electrics in the past. Their HHP-8 may not have the best decoder in it, but it's sure a nice looking model. (I wish they'd install knuckle couplers on it...but that's another thread topic...)

If someone made this engine, I'd buy it. It's different from almost every other engine out there, serves the Amtrak modelers that Bachmann already tries to court with their Acela sets and HHP-8 engines and matching cars, and probably wouldn't be too hard to tool.

My idea would be to start an email campaign to Bachmann and start begging/asking/pleading.

seabilliau
28th Feb 2012, 12:32 PM
I would think Kato/Hobby would be the most likely as the ACS-64 is going to be based off Siemens' EuroSprinter and Vectron platforms which Kato already has molds for. My guess is the tweaking needed to make the ACS-64 could be done more easily to make them en masse where Bachmann would have to make a whole new production (mold, lighting, etc...)

jlaboda (RIP)
28th Feb 2012, 12:51 PM
Well, considering that the ACS-64 won't enter service until next year I don't think that it will be offered soon by any manufacturer. As for the AEM-7, depending on how well sets like the Kato Amfleet - Viewliner offerings sell we may or may not see someone (anyone) ever making either model. Modelers interested in modern Amtrak, be it single level cars or bi-level Superliners, need to put their money where their mouth is and buy so that manufacturers will take notice and do something more about making even more. Without the justifying sales there simply will not be more interest in doing any more modern Amtrak equipment.

schill
28th Feb 2012, 02:25 PM
I'm definitely in the category of interested (in both an ACS-64 and AEM-7). If either were available, I would buy them. However, I'm not in a position that I'd want to buy a lot of Amtrak cars that I'm not interested in just to indicate to the manufacturers that I want more Amtrak. I have a number of Kato Amfleet and Viewliner cars but no Superliners. I'm primarily interested in east coast passenger service (primary northeast and, ok, the Cardinal (Chicago to NYC)). My needs are served with the Amfleet II cars.

I do need some Amfleet I cars for northeast regional service.

But most of what I'm interested in is pre-Amtrak (primarily PRR). I'm very interested in electrification, primarily in the northeast, and that makes any electric Amtrak locomotives of great interest to me.

So, yes, if any manufacturers happen to read this I would buy ACS-64 and AEM-7 locomotives in multiple numbers.

ChicagoNW
28th Feb 2012, 02:31 PM
The simplest method is to present a check and Purchase Order for 10,000 units to your favorite manufacturer. The manufacturers take orders like that seriously especially when a certified check is involved.

The problem with electric locomotives is that they do not roam past the NE Corridor. Only a loco with the elegant lines and half century of running like the GG1 have a serious following. So, a gathering of the fans must happen.

But, I was totally taken aback by Kato's release of the MP36. I was lobbing with the company that was going to make one in HO. But even the Kato release was five years after articles in both Kalmbach and Carsten's magazines were published. So, your best course is to rally the troops from across the forums that you inhabit.

Oh, by the way you should lobby for overhead power as a requirement. But a set of working double track power poles would make the likelihood of more NE Corridoor locos being sold.

Have you checked in with the NscaleTraction Yahoo group yet?

seabilliau
28th Feb 2012, 10:04 PM
Schiller,
Modeltrain stuff has Amfleet I for pretty cheap
http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Kato-N-1063522-1-Amtrak-4-Car-Passenger-Set-p/kat-1063522-1.htm
http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Kato-N-1063522-Amtrak-Phase-I-4-Car-Passenger-Set-p/kat-1063522.htm

I think there were some individual amfleet I for like $17 as well.

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The simplest method is to present a check and Purchase Order for 10,000 units to your favorite manufacturer. The manufacturers take orders like that seriously especially when a certified check is involved.

The problem with electric locomotives is that they do not roam past the NE Corridor. Only a loco with the elegant lines and half century of running like the GG1 have a serious following. So, a gathering of the fans must happen.

But, I was totally taken aback by Kato's release of the MP36. I was lobbing with the company that was going to make one in HO. But even the Kato release was five years after articles in both Kalmbach and Carsten's magazines were published. So, your best course is to rally the troops from across the forums that you inhabit.

Oh, by the way you should lobby for overhead power as a requirement. But a set of working double track power poles would make the likelihood of more NE Corridoor locos being sold.

Have you checked in with the NscaleTraction Yahoo group yet?

I sense a cause I can take up...

This may be interesting. I'm sure there are several NEC Amtrak fans out there (maybe not enough) but maybe enough to get something made. Hmm...

seabilliau
28th Feb 2012, 10:52 PM
One last thing...

They already make it... In G Scale! Really? G scaling the NEC in is more common than N or HO? Really?

http://www.cine.swl4.com/PIKO-38410_LGB_G_SCALE_Amtrak_Electric_Loco.html

It looks pretty cool. Just a Siemens Tauraus in a made up Amtrak color scheme.

If you scroll down far enough you'll also see they have Paul Schaffer driving the train, glasses and all.:D

DrifterNL
29th Feb 2012, 01:31 PM
First, do we actually know what this locomotive will look like? :dunno:
All I have seen so far are artists renderings.

schill
29th Feb 2012, 01:38 PM
Modeltrain stuff has Amfleet I for pretty cheap
http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Kato-...-1063522-1.htm
http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/Kato-...at-1063522.htm

I think there were some individual amfleet I for like $17 as well.

Unfortunately, those are pre-Amfleet I. The Amfleet I cars look a lot like Amfleet II but they have doors at both ends.

Bachmann makes Amfleet I cars - with rapido couplers and questionable performance. People like the appearance, though.

seabilliau
12th Mar 2012, 03:21 PM
I found this great review of the Hobbytrain's Siemens' Vectron which is their next gen of locomotive and is supposed to b the platform of the ACS-64.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.1zu160.net/test/hobbytrain-vectron.php&usg=ALkJrhgrPB7H5j9F1k4ChT9mHc5dBNO3YA


The Non translated version is here if the above link does not work.

http://www.1zu160.net/test/hobbytrain-vectron.php



Great photos with lots of detail.

seabilliau
25th Mar 2012, 12:20 PM
Noticed something interesting about the concept design. I found a picture of Bombardier's latest Traxx locomotive, the 187, and found that it closely resembled Amtrak's concept drawing. It makes sense since Bombardier was competing with Siemens for the new NEC replacement locomotive. Of course the picture below looks more likely to be a diesel version of the Traxx, I think you will agree that the resemblance of the concept more closely resembles the Traxx than the Vectron.

Bombardier's Traxx 187
http://www.nscale.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27661&d=1332690934



Amtrak ACS-64 Concept Drawing
http://www.nscale.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27662&d=1332690934


Siemens Vectron. This is the locomotive that will be what the ACS-64 should eventually resemble.
http://www.nscale.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27663&d=1332691558


Hobbytrain Lemke (Kato) Vectron.
http://www.nscale.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27664&d=1332691558


The train is already made! I think that even with all the FRA and added safety requirements the ACS-64 will strongly resemble the base Vectron. Hobbytrain even made all three variations of the Vectron to account for the AC, DC, AC/DC versions. I only hope that this would mean minor changes would need to be made to the mold and that changing the paint scheme. Hobbytrain has already demonstrated that they can do both so I hope this would mean that making an ACS-64 is a possibility.

http://www.nscale.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27665&d=1332691782


Here is a picture of Portugal's most recent acquisition. Of note is that it basically looks like the prototypes.
http://www.nscale.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27666&d=1332691980

nittany4
31st Jan 2013, 03:03 PM
O my!! Look at all that room for a decoder... and a built-in speaker grille

http://www.cine.swl4.com/image/PIKO-38410-Amtrak-Taurus-Electric-Loco-road-number-1217_left-side-top-off-decoder-sound-module-boxes_800.jpg

I'm very jealous of those G scalers, although the retail is a bit steep :P