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Tony35
17th Jun 2016, 11:35 AM
As some of you know the boys and me run our trains and it got me thinking....

What kind of life can you expect to get out them?
100, 500, 1000 run hours? given the the proper drop of lube when needed

I know on Seans Kato GEVOs he has 85 run hours on them without any issues

So what have you experienced

P-LineSoo
17th Jun 2016, 01:16 PM
It probably has everything to do with cleanliness, maintenance and how clean the power is that you throw at them. Heat would be the big killer, so would friction. I've read that using 'pulse' on old locos makes them run hot, which would equal shorter life expectancy.

For those of you who have repowered locos, maybe we should start a thread or database or something up on what motors will repower what locos. I'd sure like to know what I could stick in a Rivarossi 2-8-2 without huge modifications...

But back on topic, I think it would be hard to draw any consensus based on experiences we've had, as everyone's environment is different.

zosimas
17th Jun 2016, 01:41 PM
We track our hours? .... Mine are all (mostly) used to I have no clue how many hours they've run, except the one SD-9 I replaced the motor... but I didn't keep track.... is there a way to do that with DCC using JMRI? I notice there's a column for last run time (which doesn't always update).

Tony35
17th Jun 2016, 02:20 PM
Well as you might know Charles I installed an hour meter on my layout so I can kind of keep track of the run time
But some of my locos are used and I didnt keep track from the old layout so it would be a guess at this point
A couple I purchased new since the new layout was built and have been trying to keep track of it
I have a notebook setup in evernote that helps me keep track

Here is a snippet of it



4/3/16 - 160.0 (0.9) - RUN
4/4/16 - 160.5 (0.5) - RUN SETUP 18 CNA BETHGONS
4/5/16 - 161.2 (0.7) - RUN CNA BETHGONS BEHIND GEVOS #2814 & #2822
4/5/16 - 161.5 (0.3) - RUN CNA BETHGONS BEHIND GEVOS #2822 & #2814
4/9/16 - 162.5 (1.0) - RUN
4/10/16 - 165.5 (3.0) - RUN
4/11/16 - 166.5 (1.0) - RUN
4/22/16 - 167.0 (0.5) - RUN
4/28/16 - 167.4 (0.4) - RUN CN INTERMODALS (CN IC LSMX 8-40CW DECODER NOT INSTALLED YET)
4/29/16 - 167.8 (0.4) - RUN
4/30/16 - 168.3 (0.5) - RUN
5/1/16 - 168.8 (0.5) - RUN
5/3/16 - 169.8 (1.0) - RUN
5/3/16 - 170.1 (0.3) - TEST TOWN SIDING TRACKS (TRACK TO GRAIN FACILITY SEEMS DEAD)
5/3/16 - 170.3 (0.2) - TEST QUARRY LOADING TRACK
5/7/16 - 171.7 (1.4) - RUN
5/13/16 - 171.8 (0.1) - RUN
5/15/16 - 172.9 (1.1) - OPS WITH MATT 2 LOCOS
5/15/16 - 174.9 (2.0) - FINISH OPS WITH MATT
5/20/16 - 175.9 (1.0) - OPS AT TK TOOL
5/21/16 - 176.5 (0.6) - OPS POWER PLANT
5/26/16 - 177.2 (0.7) - RUN
5/27/16 - 178.0 (0.8) - RUN
5/28/16 - 178.7 (0.7) - RUN & SOFT OPS AT POWER PLANT
6/5/16 - 179.7 (1.0) - RUN

Rwerner
18th Jun 2016, 11:56 AM
It is probably fair to say the only consensus is that there is no consensus.

I will say that run hours alone are a very poor metric by which to judge a locomotive given the number of other variables at play.

However, I will also say that the amount of time and resources it would take to build up statistically accurate performance curves you may as well be getting paid to run a testing laboratory for the manufacturers.

UP4-8-8-4
18th Jun 2016, 12:57 PM
As was said, with proper maintenance they will stay running.
I got into N when it first came out in the 60's, been collecting every year since with close to 900 engines in my collection, all still run great.
One secret to all engines is keeping the Armature, Commutator and Brushes clean, besides light oiling & greasing.
"Conducta Lube-Cleaner" by Atlas cleans the armature like new.
I've had several friends bring over their engines from the 60's and past that wouldn't run. Figured them for dead junk. So far every one I cleaned the armature on, all are back up and running.
Some did a bit of smoking while running at first burning off the built up varnish, then eventually took off and had to turn power way down.

CHUCKGEO
18th Jun 2016, 04:10 PM
Buy locomotive at $100. Run locomotive until it starts to give you problems. Lube and run again for some time, or until it stops. Place ad on ebay, and include reference as "RARE". With your $150 from unsuspecting buyer, purchase new locomotive (and a nice box of candy for significant other), and change your ebay name. Start cycle again. LOL

UP4-8-8-4
18th Jun 2016, 09:32 PM
Buy locomotive at $100. Run locomotive until it starts to give you problems. Lube and run again for some time, or until it stops. Place ad on ebay, and include reference as "RARE". With your $150 from unsuspecting buyer, purchase new locomotive (and a nice box of candy for significant other), and change your ebay name. Start cycle again. LOL

Yeah, there's a certain seller on Ebay that lists every thing he sells in plastic & brass engines, passenger car collector sets, etc. . as "RARE" !
Tempted to ask him how many more of his exact "RARE" engines & passenger sets he'd like to buy at the "RARE" price ?
LOL !

Tony35
18th Jun 2016, 10:30 PM
So what Im gathering is, dont worry about it, run them and N joy them :cheers:
Thanks for the input guys :thumbs-up:

zosimas
19th Jun 2016, 06:49 AM
So what Im gathering is, dont worry about it, run them and N joy them :cheers:
Thanks for the input guys :thumbs-up:

sounds that way, but if your having fun tracking run time go for it :D.

Puros_bran
19th Jun 2016, 09:08 AM
I don't worry with it. They'll run until they don't. I've seen some pretty old locos running around in circles so I'm guessing they don't suffer from as much wear as we might think. Take care of them, but just as importantly Enjoy them.


Re: "rare" listings on eBay. It's not just trains, it's everything. Want to find the truly rare stuff? Don't bother with eBay. I'll guarantee 99.99999% of the rare stuff, regardless of interest, is personal private sell. The days of "corvette in the barn" and Pre-war xxxx for $.25 is pretty much a thing of the past.

glakedylan
19th Jun 2016, 06:44 PM
i am trying to remember where and when a thread was shared about locomotive motor lifespan
IIRC....and it is sketchy....i believe the thread was on the old Atlas Forum and was referred to on the RailWire Forum
i think it was Victor Miranda that ran a locomotive (diesel) 24/7 and occasionally would measure the brush dimensions
as to ascertain how long it would run (with regular maintenance-lube, etc.)
again, IIRC, the locomotive keep running to the point that the test was ended due to the locomotive not failing in the
very long term study (i think it was more than a year?)
perhaps someone here knows the thread and can provide a link to it
i searched but did not find it
FWIW
Gary