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    Default Virtual Interchange!!

    This is a blatant advertisement for a little game / experiment we're conducting over in the Operations Forum, in case you haven't seen it.

    For those of you unfamiliar, the idea is that we use posts on a thread here to "interchange" carloads of goods from one person's layout to another's and back. So for example, I can send a few hoppers of coal to J Edgar, and he sends me a boxcar full of washing machines, or some "through freight" from Lansing.

    No actual cars cross paths, we just use our own cars as stand ins, using our staging tracks as the interchange points.

    This was J Edgar's excellent idea, and so far we're having some fun, but we really need some more volunteers to jump in, to get the ball rolling!

    Read more about it here. (Discussion thread. Post questions and stuff here)

    Register the railroad(s) and business(es) on your layout here. (Registry thread. Figure out who has what)

    Watch (and join in) the action here! (Tracking Thread. Post dispatch messages, wheel reports, and other operational messages here).
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    Who takes 107 carloads of soybeans, 93 carloads of ethanol and 15 cars of DDG's?

    Just kidding, but that will be the case soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16marvigj View Post
    Who takes 107 carloads of soybeans, 93 carloads of ethanol and 15 cars of DDG's?

    Just kidding, but that will be the case soon.
    Well, I can probably handle that as through freight, but don't have any customers at the moment. I might need a few carloads of ethanol at my chemical plant, but not 93 all at once. What is DDG?

    Seriously, if you're in, list your businesses in the Registry thread and see what happens. Need any custom wiring harnesses?
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    Does you layout have to be complete? Mine is under construction, but I know the main industries for sure. Grain, ethanol, coal, DDG's, vegtables, cheese making waste and others.

    Here is what TCWR's offical website has to say
    "TC&W’s traffic base consists largely of coal, grains (corn, wheat, barley), soybeans, sugar, beet pulp pellets, lumber and other forest products, canned vegetables, edible beans, molasses, DDGs, fertilizers, crushed rock and agricultural machinery."


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    Nope. You don't even have to have a layout. You can do it all in your head if you want. Heck most of my industries don't have track laid but they're shipping and receiving stuff left and right.

    Era doesn't matter either, BTW...
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    Count me in. I will start tomorrow!
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    John, check out the thread Virtual Interchange Thingie by j edgar. it is loong but will give you something to think about. I don't run trains too much right now but I still try to participate in the game. It is teaching me about operations as I go along.
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    It is just cars that we interchange, or can we interchange empties to use for the game and extra engines?
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    That's a great idea I can interchange some coal or my faves some auto racks.

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    I'm not ready to join in yet but hopefully I will at some point. Even so I just wanted to post here and say again what an awesome idea this is. None of us can have fully realized industry systems in our little layouts, even the ones that cover a whole basement or bonus room. By combining our layouts, we can make almost a whole virtual world and I think, in the long run, that will add a whole dimension to this hobby. Kudos for J edgar for thinking of it and Twin Dad for following up.

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    You could set out empties to be picked up, loaded and returned to the interchange for P/U by your road. Engines I'm not sure about - j edgar might be the one to answer that.
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    RR's constantly balance power on their systems....lease engines from other lines or leasee's....new power is moved from factory to RR via other RR's (I had many SD43/90mac's in my trains when i worked for CSX 10 years ago.......shipped from EMD's London plant in CP run-thru trains some in primer some painted)...with TD's Engines Inc. interchanging locomotives can happen...remembering that with modern railroading whole trains can be "interchanged" engines and all....the CP runthru trains i ran back then were just that.....a CP crew brings the train into Detroit and a CSX crew takes it to Chicago via Grand Rapids weres its given back to the CP(SOO)...
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    Just to stuff things up (although unintentionally)Geographically I live a little away from the US, (a mere 4000 miles) and to interchange anything with the railways involved in this virtual exercise, would have to interchange with an other (competitor and somewhat hostile) railway to move anything away from my own system and that just to get the wagons to the port . . .Although we are dealing with 'virtual' here, does the I/change system as it currently exists make provision for the need to move across an 'opponents' tracks, or for the actual geographical-realities that the interchanging might be subject to - or are these to be 'studiously ignored' in pursuit of the interchange itself - a world where all geography and reality is perceived to be both equal (and flat?)As I am probably complicating things unnecessarily, I would be interested to learn how this 'perceived difficulty' can be overcome.Thanks
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    not much of a problem...using a modern era to simplify it....COFC go any where....your RR starts a trucking "subsidiary" to haul your containers to port (adding compition to the unfriendly line) and your kiwi's show up for me to set-out at the Lansing Fruit Market spur in a 1940 ice refer....return no different....Speed Queen sends a 1940 boxcar full of washers routed to a westcoast US port and you get maybe 2 containers at your port that your trucking co brings to your line....even if your personally modeling an era before containers a trucking company trans-loading freight to your wagons to be set-out at local industries

    as far as an "unfriendly" connection its required that a "common carrier" except all interchange and deliever "....as promptly as can be allowed" but unless obsolutely neccesary lines here will aviod "unfriedly" connections. the network used to be so inter-woven that you could find any routing you wanted to.
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    Komata,

    J Edgar did a great job of explaining the "model way" it's handled.

    Practically speaking, you just drop the car at your local interchange point and post a dispatch message to the destination railroad. The car (or at least it's contents) magically appear on the other railroad's interchange track.

    Crossing an ocean is really just a logical extension of using Class 1 railroads that aren't modeled to get stuff from WV to MI.
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    Can you give me specific directions on how to layout the posts and what each phrase means?
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    ok here is a waybill of sorts that I made up to use:

    TO: Richland Coop (industry)
    C/O: K&L Enfield (agent of rr)

    FROM: Stegmier Brewery ( industry or agent
    )
    C/O: agent TCIR

    Request: Box of bagged hops(commodity to be shipped)

    Frequency: weekly
    Deliver To: PRR interchange Trafford Pa ( my interchange)

    Notes: whatever might be needed.


    Here is a post to the TCIR (me) from K&L (j edgar who is the real pro)

    to Agent TCIR
    Turtle Creek
    re latest SO

    received cars at int stop (the word stop is indicative of his era - telegraph)
    SO for PK the following break (set out or set off for pickup break is a pause with info to follow)
    T&P 676220 bx ld general merchandise for FH Murrysville (LD=load, FH freight house)
    CNJ 3476 bx mt for WP Turtle Creek to load for return shipment stop
    ( an empty box for Weyerhauser Plywood to be loaded and returned via interchange)

    Agent K&L
    Enfield

    disregard the text below as the above example says it all:
    K&L might reply that the car was so (set off) for PK (pick or pick up) at the interchange at time and date.
    I would then pickup the car and deliver it to the industry on my layout. when unloaded I would set it out on the interchange for pickup by an appropriate freight in the correct direction.
    j edgar and TD jump in and correct me if I'm too far off base,
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    AFAIK you're right on target, Gene. J Edgar's the expert, though.

    I was secretly wondering what SO meant in this context...
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    OK, I think I am ready to particapate! first a quick question, does it have to be rolling stock that you own, or can it be rolling stock from an official list of rolling stock when you ship empties or loads, and just pretend it exists on your layout (since everything else is pretend)?

    I can ship my rolling stock around the country, because I have seen photos of TCWR/MPLI/RRVW rolling stock all around the country
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    i think this is what you mean - I need a gon to ship scrap steel to a junk yard on your layout but I don;t have one yet. ( i have a case of fundsarelow disease). So I can just go to my Walters catalog or BLW and find one that would work. You are still playing the game. Right now I am not running trains to do the actual moves from the virtual interchange but hope to start soon. I am away from my layout but I am using my roster to help me continue to participate.
    Hope this is correct guys and hope it helps John,
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