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    After testing the tracks on my former layout I found that the 4% grades were going to limit me to 40 inch trains and didn't feel all that comfortable with it. I have revised phase I of the layout with 3% grades which will work for 48 inch trains. My list of "must haves" were: 1) Layout must require the viewer to watch a couple of runs to figure out the layout 2) Layout must have gradients (the higher the rise the better) 3) Must be able to operate two trains at once 4) Must have significant water feature 5) Must have room for some rural scenery 6) Must have some operations

    The layout consists of a "main" which is essentially a "loop". The railroad also has a line off the main to serve the coal mine and lumber facilities up in the mountains (whopping 4 inches arghhh). The mountain line is essentially a single line up the mountain with reverse loops at either end and a couple of crossovers to the main at the bottom.

    This is going to be a mother to build but its what I came up with to get the things I really wanted in the plan. I am hoping I can get some helpful advise on getting past some things on this layout that are going to cause me problems (ie wiring reverse loops). Anyway, take a look and let me know if you see any problems.
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    Check out Tony's Train Exchange for reversers and of course your brand of DCC.
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    Nice drawing... i like your rule #1 (viewer must not be able to figure out the layout immediately).

    I feel your pain about the vertical aspect. I wish my bridges were higher, but unfortunately the laws of Physics don't scale well... or maybe they scale a little too well. Alas.
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    Nice XtrkCad work... I know you are trying to get a lot in the layout, but putting turnouts in tunnels will make life difficult unless you can totally list off all of the layout above them to take care of maintenance issues that WILL arise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanm View Post
    Nice XtrkCad work... I know you are trying to get a lot in the layout, but putting turnouts in tunnels will make life difficult unless you can totally list off all of the layout above them to take care of maintenance issues that WILL arise.
    Well there are two of them (one on each end) and both will be easily accessible for derailments if they occur. I di not think about having to service the turnouts (they are Kato) and I appreciate the heads up on that. I'll have to construct the scenery over those two with a "hat". Thanks!!

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    Well planned layout. I appreciate setting your goals prior to establishing a track plan. I think you will be happier in the long term with your decision.

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    Well, the more I thought about it the more Seanm's comments got to me. I really didn't want to have removable scenary at the location of where the two hidden turnouts were so I reworked the plan one more time and this is what I came up with.
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    Hraka,

    While I liked your first plan, I like this version better. It's well thought out and you've taken care of those problems with the turnouts.
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    The only thing I would suggest is possibly getting more separation on the tracks at the lumber yard. The fork trucks have to get a both sides of the center-beams loading and unloading and have to balance the load going on or off. With the separation you have now the fork-operator might be a little unhappy but then again I haven't measured the distance between the tracks to see how well me can move his loads of wood. Just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbie51 View Post
    The only thing I would suggest is possibly getting more separation on the tracks at the lumber yard. The fork trucks have to get a both sides of the center-beams loading and unloading and have to balance the load going on or off. With the separation you have now the fork-operator might be a little unhappy but then again I haven't measured the distance between the tracks to see how well me can move his loads of wood. Just my 2 cents
    Thanks for the advice. Should be an easy enough adjustment!!

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    I really like this plan. I am looking forward to seeing this one come to life.
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    Progress!!! Permantly attached roadbed for outter loop. The plan is to set the track up temporarily and run it for a while to make sure there are no issues. Tired of messing with layouts and testing. It feels good to get something permanent down.
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    woo hoo! get those trains running - nothing like the first train on any layout! Now sit back and watch 'em go!
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    Well, I got the outer loop track down with pins (temp for testing) and I am not having a good time of it. Microtrain coupled cars derail at one KAto turnout consistently when coupled to my Atlas Trainmasters. All rapido-coupled stuff runs fine and the microtrain coupled stuff runs fine through the other turnout. The pins are not hitting the track either. The cars are jumping the rail and trying to go the oposite way of the loco.
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    Learned some things... If you are using flex track and doing turns in the 10" to 11" radius range, DO NOT attempt to tie flex to flex in the middle of one of those turns. You have no prayer of not having a kink. I ended up cutting the flex track short to connect in the tangent section and in one case used a piece of sectional track as a bridge to yield support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hraka View Post
    Learned some things... If you are using flex track and doing turns in the 10" to 11" radius range, DO NOT attempt to tie flex to flex in the middle of one of those turns. You have no prayer of not having a kink. I ended up cutting the flex track short to connect in the tangent section and in one case used a piece of sectional track as a bridge to yield support.
    So are you finding any better success by off-setting the tie point from dead center to one part of the curve or the other and if so by about how much 20%, 40%??? Pete
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbie51 View Post
    So are you finding any better success by off-setting the tie point from dead center to one part of the curve or the other and if so by about how much 20%, 40%??? Pete
    I'm not sure if I understand your question, but I quickly realized the issue while laying the second turn on the perimeter. It was one of those clear cut "No way, no how ever" moments. I can't say where in the turn it might have been better because it was so bad I just chose not to deal with it since I already had tangents built into the layout.

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    try soldering 2 lengths of flex together before bending then try bending into the curve you want. Might help,
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    I have a much more irritating problem on my hand. I have 4 brand new #4 Kato turnouts. This is the first time I have used Kato track of any kind and decided to go with them becasue I needed an aboveboard motor that didn't stick out like a sore thumb (Atlas) and Kato track has an excellent rep. Well, 3 of the four of them have an issue with the wheel of the truck catching on the sliding rail when in the "turnout" position. The sliding rail does not seat well against the permanent rail and worse yet, it is inconsistent in its placement everytime it switches. I looked at some atlas turnouts I had that I've never had this issue on before and noticed they have a slight indention in the permanent rail as a seat for the sliding rail. The Kato turnouts do not have this. Anyone ever have this issue with Kato turnouts and if so how do you fix it? I just spent a hundred bucks on these and I must say I'm not happy.

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    Hraka, I understand your feelings! I have not used Kato turnouts so cannot comment first hand. However, I do believe the #4 turnouts are pretty well known for this problem. (The #6s seem to be OK).

    I believe that it just takes a little filing to make them sit properly and negate the issue!

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