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    Default Can you really justify running 'preserved' trains?

    Kato's latest announcement that the Silver Streak will soon be with us has reawakened a deep longing in me to run some of those iconic old trains on my modern era layout. It all started with the PRR GGI and the Broadway and the SP GS-4 and the Morning Daylight, now every time I see a named train I want to buy it and run it. I've come up with all kinds of far fetched scenarios to justify, for example, the GG1 and Broadway thundering through modern day Wisconsin (without overhead power lines too!), but aren't I just fooling myself? The excuse I keep coming back to is that these are preserved trains running specials for rail fans. I know there's always the 'it's my layout and I'll run what I want on it' line I could fall back on, but is that a good enough justification?

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    Why not. As you said "it's your layout and you can run what you like". There is no great N Scale rivet counter in the sky who will come down and beat you to death with a stick if you do. Run what you like and have fun. That after all is the name of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColTrain View Post
    Why not. As you said "it's your layout and you can run what you like". There is no great N Scale rivet counter in the sky who will come down and beat you to death with a stick if you do. Run what you like and have fun. That after all is the name of the game.
    I agree 100%! Your railroad - just run whatever you want! You don't even need to make up a reason (excuse) for doing so. Just run and enjoy!

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    Ill go further and suggest a ban on the word 'justify' in relation to model trains.
    the point of play is to escape such pressures.

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    These are not real trains.. then only still exist in our made up model railroad world anyhow. Unless you are a museum modeling for specific historical significance, which I don't think any of us are, then you can run what ever you want.
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    The train doesn't know what era it's running in.

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    Eventually DCC decoders and locos will know the era and region they're supposed to be in and detect being run on incorrect layouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baronjutter View Post
    Eventually DCC decoders and locos will know the era and region they're supposed to be in and detect being run on incorrect layouts.
    Yep and then they'll be blown up by aliens.

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    First, as others have said, this is all for your enjoyment anyway so do what makes ya happy.

    That's why I have a California Zephyr and a steam loco/excursion train, even though I model Southeast Wisconsin after 1980ish. I just couldn't say no to those Kato CB&Q E8s, and I do want a set of those new E5s.

    On the plus side, the "historic" trains I have are similar to ones that actually still exist, some I've actually gotten to see running down the rails alongside modern day trains. The Illinois Railway Museum has a Burlington E5 along with the Nebraska Zephyr, pretty similar to what Kato is coming out with. And Illinois is just a short drive away from me in Wisconsin anyway, so I say it's perfectly plausible that you could see a Zephyr running alongside GEVOs and SD-90s or any other modern loco. I'd say it's fine to run trains that aren't even preserved anyway...it's not like any layout will be a 100% match for the real thing anyway!
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    I agree with everyone else. If you like them, run them. Reality's not so great that I feel the need to try and perfectly replicate it.

    Sure, if I can be realistic/prototypical I will be... but there's no way I'd give up on a nice loco or car set that I wanted (and fit into my train budget) just because it was "out of era."

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    Heck, I cooked up a story about a genius (mechanical) engineer employee of the CH&FR who came up with a retrofit roller bearing for friction bearing trucks, just so the CH&FR could run vintage rolling stock in regular service and not get in trouble with the FRA. My whole railroad concept is wrapped around justifying running whatever I want. Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janbouli View Post
    Yep and then they'll be blown up by aliens.

    I'm a 100% with the others, if only because I seek a reason to buy myself a GG1
    oh hell yeah, you need one of those.they ran every where.

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    I could run steam on my layout, but I refuse to run electric without overhead wires

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    If you do want to run older equipment as if it is restored excursion stock, i.e. you're trying to model it as though it is a museum piece (instead of just allowing yourself to run what you feel like regardless of "justification"), then keep in mind that most often, an old engine will be run with a more modern one cut in just behind it. This is sort of "just in case", a backup in case there is a break down on while out away from the shop. Theoretically, there's only one shop that actually has any know-how regarding how to fix or maintain that engine, so the modern diesel helper means they can always get back there, or just stay on schedule (more likely to matter to a profit-making Class 1). Such a "helper" would also allow electrics like the GG1 to "run" over non-electrified track. So, maybe you have your GG1 and its Broadway Limited train set making a tour of the midwest, but with a BNSF six-axle diesel spliced in behind it. Such a consist would be instantly recognizable as an excursion, set within a particular timeframe and era, even if such a train never actually rolled through Wisconsin.

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    If you need a justification, just say that you're modelling a railroad owned by an independently wealthy eccentric railfan who runs whatever he likes.

    With that as your prototype, anything goes!

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    Not only do I want to echo what everyone else is saying, but to add that I am working on the logging section of my layout where I am going to run three Climax Class A locos right next to modern logging trucks and such. The truth of the matter is I like the Climax loco and that is what I am gong to use. I could care less about being historically accurate.

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    I think your question does deserve some thought, because it was important enough to you to ask it. Are you looking for a justification that might actually be happening somewhere in the world? Are you concerned that your story about your railroad is not internally consistent?

    My own story is that my old RS2 has a new modern powerplant installed under the hood — because my railroad owner likes it and has the money. It has become an icon for the small railroad and brings some attention that helps the advertising go further.

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    Keep the "wrong era" trains on the display shelf when people visit. If you forget tell them you had the train out for it's monthly exercise. You don't want the gear lubricant going bad, right?

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    There's a very real short-line railroad in... New Jersey I think? ... that has a stable full of old Baldwin Diesels to do its work. There was a write-up in Trains a while back about it. They do the job well, the company has plenty of spare parts, and the owners and operators like them.

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    When the day comes that I have to "Justify" running anything on my layout,is the day I load everything up in the front end loader,drive over to the burn pile and Touch it !

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