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    Default layout plan what do you think?

    After sage advice from several forum members I decided for the first layout I needed to stay simple. Learn basic model skills that I have never attempted . Here is my simple idea. It doesn't necessarily need to be an entire layout, as I have plenty of room to grow bigger later , and expand. Please be honest as in previous post.

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    Couple of things stand out to me right away . Most of all is the turnout geometry looks to be very very far off reality . the yard ladders are goijg to have way more slope to them than your drawing and the turnout coming into the inner main on the bottom left side from the yard is way too tight of a radius as well . You should actually draw this out on track planning software like the xtrackcad your showing as a template . Turnouts angles and lenght make massive difference in what you want , and what actually works and fits

    Hope this helps

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    I think that you'll have a couple of problems that I can see from your picture.
    #1 the inner loop on the bottom area looks too tight.
    #2 the spur and building on the right will probably have to come off of the end of the lead to it and the other industry.

    But, the others will give you a better analysis I'm sure. Welcome aboard though.


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    What those guys said. Also, if this is your first layout, you are going to have to learn to wire some reversing loops along with this plan. Are you running DC or DCC? As those guys suggested, use this plan to get it down in proper dimensions so you can start to play with it and easier for others to comment on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave68124 View Post
    What those guys said. Also, if this is your first layout, you are going to have to learn to wire some reversing loops along with this plan. Are you running DC or DCC? As those guys suggested, use this plan to get it down in proper dimensions so you can start to play with it and easier for others to comment on it.
    Ok new guy here. Besides the wye , what other reverse loops are there?

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    Looks like the bottom left track leaving the staging yard will create another reverse. A little hard to eye ball on the drawing, but if I am following the track around correctly, it appears to be one there as well.

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    If you find XTraCAD too much for you. You might consider SCARM or Atlas has a new version of their free software. It now has 3D display capability.

    Seeing the plan in three dimensions helps you discover clearance and grade problems.

    Yes, laying out the plan is exactly like building the plan with real track. But unlike real track you don't have to spend a penny to figure out how the layout will be.
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    Mike,

    What you are trying to do is not difficult. Below is the basic XTrackCAD version of your plan. If you will download XTrackCAD, you can click on the attachment and it will ask if you want to open or save the file, click open and it will display on your computer. However, I've got a couple points: 1) Yes, your plan is simple but a little boring, with your layout base I'd fold the dog bone so you have some elevation and more interest. 2) The plan is simple but it is really large, this presents it's own complexities, if this is your first layout I'd go with something much smaller like a hollow core door. This may seem like wasting your time when you could be working on the big layout, but it is not. You really don't know enough about what you like in a layout yet to design and build a big layout you will be happy with. Your first layout is what's known as a "chainsaw" layout. You will learn so much building it and your skills will improve so much you will build the second layout to a much higher quality and cut the old one up with a chainsaw. I'll get off my soapbox and end the run on sentences.
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    Mike,

    Here is an example of a folded dog bone.
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    Mike,

    I recommend you build something like this to completion before you tackle the big layout:
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    Have fun, Mark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicbeen really difficult oNW View Post
    If you find XTraCAD too much for you. You might consider SCARM or Atlas has a new version of their free software. It now has 3D display capability.

    Seeing the plan in three dimensions helps you discover clearance and grade problems.

    Yes, laying out the plan is exactly like building the plan with real track. But unlike real track you don't have to spend a penny to figure out how the layout will be.
    Xtrack has been really difficult for me! I haven't given up on it, just need more time with it. Appreciate the advice, this is a great site for needed help, and the occasional reality check!!!!!

    Thanks!!!

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    Just thinking out loud here ...

    if this is your first layout, you may not have figured out what is your "thing" or what it is about a layout that you like. I.e. what's your focus and what the layout should do.

    Personally I like operation and switching and haven't gotten around to building landscape for decades. Others like building landscape or making prototypical signalling ... or whatever aspect of the hobby makes them tick.

    I suggest you build that fairly simple oval like Mark suggested, play with it and see where it takes you. Do you find yourself sculpturing landscape and making trees or do you find that you need a way bigger yard or longer main lines? That will tell you what is "your thing".

    Then - if needed - design a larger layout that caters to your requirements.

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    I really like Marks folded dog bone design , he captures a lot of elements in it , and lot fun to operate .

    If xtrakcad is giving you troubkes try scarm , its what i use , cause i have a hard time with xtrakcad . It is a full function free software that work pretty good

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    the originator of scarm is a member - mixy I think.
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    Thanks Mark,

    The folded dog bone looks really cool to build and operate! looks like it has a bit of everything. Would there be any reverse loops associated with it? I've bought several books on dcc but haven't had much time to go through them thoroughly. I still have much to learn before I start anything, want to be sure im fully prepared.

    Thanks again for the help!!!!

    Mike

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    Mike,

    No reverse loops on the folding dog bone. If I get some time tonight I'll see if I can modify it for your layout size.

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    Mark , would the turntable loop not make a reversing loop ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aflica View Post
    Mark , would the turntable loop not make a reversing loop ?

    Steve
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    Ive purchased the Walters turntable, shouldn't that be dcc ready and wired to take care of that, or am I mistaken? It seems I've been wrong a multitude of times since beginning this!!!!

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    Im not sure about the turntable . If it is , the turntable i think would handle the auto reversing . But im not sure , so i will let more expeirienced members chime in on that . I have a wye and a crossover track on my layout , and both are of course are auto reversing and my PSX-AR's handle them perfectly every time . But they are a bit pricey .
    Dont let a auto reversing section scare you tho , done right they work well , and open up lots of potential as far as running and ops .

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    You know, that's a good question?

    I would think that if you wire it up so that the actual tracks on the turntable were isolated, then there wouldn't be any shorts since the tracks on each side are actually not connected.

    If you hook up a reversing unit to the Turntable this should take care of the issue, but only if you use the engine loop for turning locos.
    If you try to turn a whole train you may run into troubles such as you would if you were trying to run a whole train of KATO passenger cars through the loop.
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