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    best thing to do with a Kato crossover is completely isolate it electrically and put terminal joiners on all 4 corners. the center is electrically isolated as well
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    Been just lurking and watching this. Like the way this has come out after all of the input and changes. Nicely done. Hope it is as much fun building as it has been planning it!
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    Clever! Your version of the left lobe actually keeps the loops separate, so that by default you don't have the "Mobius Loop" that my sketch did. Yet, by making use of the crossovers, one can still achieve that long-loop tour if desired. I think it's looking good, I do like the yard with the runaround at the ladder.

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    I'm feeling pretty good with this after all the help. THANK YOU GANG! I think my next move is to move this to a new thread. I want to name it better and chronicle the actual build, since I'm sure it's gonna be a long one and "Looking for Help..." does not lend well the meta search. ;-)
    I'm thinking of naming this layout "Hummingbird Valley" in honor of the rail yard. (Yes, I see the seahorse too, but I'm not building "Seahorse Valley" LOL
    Thanks WP&P for the modifications. I relied heavily on it in the end.
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    Just in case someone is following this Yard design, I realized that the switch tracks on the A/D were backwards. Now any consist sitting on the A/D can be pulled into the ladder and all locos can make it back to the TT without a lot of hassle.
    Just figured I better update for posterity. ;-)

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    Ok Guys... so I have my Unitrack up for sale and already have some interest However......
    There is an active thread on the joys of Unitrack and it really got me wondering why I really want to get rid of everything and start over with C55. (Just so I can have nicer looking ties???)
    I'm starting to doubt my choices in life. heh.
    With that in mind, I took the layout that we worked out and did it up using Unitrack.
    Some things had to change and I got tight on space in the yard. So I went back to the old configuration and it seems to work really well.
    Also, I solved my crazy electrical mess on the reversing loops. As I read it now, one reverser should do the job and my wiring job just got easier.
    I'm using Unitrack and ME Flex track Code 80 in this layout.
    I need to be talked into (Or out of) Atlas at the moment. KATO track runs great, and I had zero problems with any of my equipment not working on it.

    Thoughts?

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    If you're going to use unitrack and want flex, I recommend thinking about Peco. . You get the same tie spacing so you're at least consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimil View Post
    If you're going to use unitrack and want flex, I recommend thinking about Peco. . You get the same tie spacing so you're at least consistent.
    ?? I thought ME was the closest. Thanks. Peco works for me, altho I always found it a bit fragile to work with. But then I'm not doing more than semi straight runs so it should be fine.
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    Ok then....
    Looks like Unitrack is the deal. Here is the latest track plan going into the build.
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    You asked for feedback on track type... Atlas c55 is more than just ties- the code 55 rail looks much closer to real than code 80. Also, flex allows natural easements that avoid the rigid geometry and overhang of equipment on curves, so there are operational benefits. That may or may not matter much to you. Having said that, if you have the Kato track and want to keep it, that seems to me to be the main factor in your decision. You have a significant investment in what is otherwise excellent track.

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    also, checkout Mike Fifer's work with Uni-track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by epumph View Post
    also, checkout Mike Fifer's work with Uni-track.
    He was my main guy that got me to do my first layout in Unitrack. His videos got me loving it and my results on my test layout were excellent. I got dazzled by the prototype rail of C55, but in the end, it is how well it runs. Unitrack runs great and I already have about a grand invested. To toss all that and start over... Yeah.
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    Unitrack is either you love it or hate it. I think you made the right decision. I dressed my up and it works and looks great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottL View Post
    flex allows natural easements that avoid the rigid geometry and overhang of equipment on curves,
    I agree... that is why I'm adding in a lot of flex in this new design. I think I have a good blend of Unitrack and Atlas with this. I guess I'll know when I start putting it into play.
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    btw, Atlas C55 flex is 30" long and ME is 36" long, never used Peco so don't know...
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    Peco is 36". I actually use Peco C55 mixed with UT. Because of the unique approach used by Peco, it works well to bridge C80. If you're doing radius less than somewhere in 13" - 15" range, it generally needs a couple of extra notches cut in the plastic to let it slide. I haven't worked with their C80, so not sure what you mean by "fragile". The C55 certainly isn't. I've got some pieces that have been relocated at least 3 times, including having been ballasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimil View Post
    their C80, so not sure what you mean by "fragile".
    I have not worked with the C55 in Peco only 80 and I can tell you that the 80 likes to bread away from the rails when you move it around too much trying to get the right angle and curve. if the 55 is stronger, then that is a good endorsement of using that over the 80.
    I think I'll get a few sticks and try it out before I settle on only running 80 with the UT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FPM_Michael View Post
    I have not worked with the C55 in Peco only 80 and I can tell you that the 80 likes to bread away from the rails when you move it around too much trying to get the right angle and curve. if the 55 is stronger, then that is a good endorsement of using that over the 80.
    I think I'll get a few sticks and try it out before I settle on only running 80 with the UT.
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    The C55 in Peco is actually a piece of metal that is .080" with a "funky" profile that they actually embed .025" in to the plastic. You actually need to work to separate ties from the rail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FPM_Michael View Post
    Here is the latest track plan going into the build.
    One quibble I have with this version: in the lower left, where the light blue line loops around and then over itself, you show that bridge as being on two curved pieces of track. It is very hard to make a curved bridge look right. I know that Kato offers "viaduct" sections that are akin to curved ballasted-deck girder bridges, but these don't really represent anything that is typical of North American railroading.

    It would be much better to have short straight spans, with the curvature leading into them. If it were me, I wouldn't use Unitrack at all for this bridge; rather, I would treat the bridge as a model that might be a little bit scratch-built, and/or kit bashed, including the curving approaches. That way, the approach track could be on a low trestle perhaps, and the curvature might extend just a little bit out onto the bridge span; in fact, you might retain a very broad radius curve across the bridge, broad enough that the span elements (whether truss or girder) can still be straight. The curvature you show is just too tight for straight bridge elements, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WP&P View Post
    It would be much better to have short straight spans, with the curvature leading into them. If it were me, I wouldn't use Unitrack at all for this bridge; rather, I would treat the bridge as a model that might be a little bit scratch-built, and/or kit bashed, including the curving approaches. That way, the approach track could be on a low trestle perhaps, and the curvature might extend just a little bit out onto the bridge span; in fact, you might retain a very broad radius curve across the bridge, broad enough that the span elements (whether truss or girder) can still be straight. The curvature you show is just too tight for straight bridge elements, I think.
    I really like that Idea... I'm already mixing flex and UT so it will not be a big jump to convert the bridges out. I already did that on my last layout as there are only a couple spans in Kato that I thought looked good.

    Also... I can't believe no one jumped me on using #7 turnouts in my rail yard. I had a senior moment there, but it is all fixed up now. Using #4 on the ladder got me 7 full span classification tracks!! Woot! I'll be buying rolling stock until I'm dead. LOL
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