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    Default Queens, New York City in N Scale

    I would like to introduce myself....

    I am in the process of completing a New York City diorama type model railroad in N-scale. The scene takes place in Queens, NYC in the 1990s.

    The upper portion (street level and elevated section) of the layout was featured in N-Scale Magazine last summer. The subway is still under construction.

    I was wondering if anyone here knew of sources for the following specific interests I have as I complete the layout:

    1) Subway cars - I have several sets of the brass IMAGES REPLICAS (R32 and R46) models, I could always use another if it is available.

    2) Organizations, websites, clubs, etc. that specialize in N-Scale urban modeling (NYC in particular.)

    Thank you for any assistance you may provide.

    Here are sample photos from the article:




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    Welcome aboard, look forward to more
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    Welcome to the group! Please show us more!
    My build thread: https://www.nscale.net/forums/showthr...t-do-you-think


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    Default I started this N-scale model railroad.....

    ..... back in 1992 when things were still pretty rough in New York City compared to today. Crime was still high, and that ever-present layer of dirt and graffiti seemed a permanent fact of life.



    At the time I began this project, I had been living on Long Island and working in Queens as a teacher for several years (and will until 2007 when my wife and I and three children moved to upstate NY).



    During my daily commute to Queens (via LIRR and subway), I frequently caught myself looking past the grime and stench, and actually admiring the classic infrastructure of the city - in contrast to how I did not admire it as a kid growing up in Brooklyn in the '60s and '70s.



    The layout stays true to the era of the late '80s and early '90s, a time before the city cleaned itself up and could boast safety and cleanliness as a draw to tourists and potential residents alike. It was a tough, gritty time, and in my 4 foot by 4 foot world, remains so to this day.....




    I learned how to use an airbrush, as N Scale LIRR locomotives did not exist at that time.


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    Welcome!!

    Looking forward to more photos

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    Boy, does that look familiar. My childhood cousins lived just off Roosevelt Ave. in Jackson Heights. There used to be a (?) scale huge NYC diorama on the old World Fairs site, nearby old Shea Stadium and Citi field. Don't know if it still exists.
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    Welcome aboard!

    A bit jealous as I also have an affinity for urban modeling and vintage elevated railways but no layout.
    My secret pipe dream is a 1950's oval of NYC style transportation, subway, elevated, trolley and bus...
    Quite a few items on the bucket list before that so I may have to enjoy your modeling for the time being.

    I routinely collect NYC elevated / subway books just for historic reference and visual enjoyment. I have not seen a lot of N scale equipment that is NYC suitable.

    Have you been to the NY Transit Museum: http://www.nytransitmuseum.org/ - I have wanted to go but not made it yet.

    Also, NYC subway: http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Main_Page has a lot of information.

    Modeling: http://www.nycmodeltransit.org/

    Convention: http://www.nycmodeltransit.org/2017details.htm - I need to get to this

    I believe someone here has also modeled some elevated lines.... Will search a bit and add.
    ED: @ChicagoNW has done some modeling

    I too would enjoy seeing more pics! Missed the magazine article.

    Good luck.
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    Welcome looking forward to seeing more of your layout
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    Default Here are some more photos.....

    A lone private residence under the El, next to a coffee shop and a playground.



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    As others have said "Welcome aboard!" Looking forward to seeing more!
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    Default I had most of the structural elements -

    .... wooden base, electrical wiring, backdrop, track work and buildings - of this New York City layout in place by the time we moved upstate in 2007, however I did not work on the layout since the move.


    Only recently (the past two years or so) have I had the time to return to this project and to do most of the detail work such as in-scene lighting, store signs, cars and people. Some track work still remains to be completed in the subway.



    Three of the boroughs of the city are in some way represented here. The skyline (the rear half of the 4 foot by 4 foot layout) is Manhattan, a Queens neighborhood is represented in the front half, and the Brooklyn Bridge crosses the river just south of the Queensboro Bridge.



    The backdrop was never meant to be photo-realistic.
    More like an interpretive stage play, using layers of simple structures (plywood buildings) and dramatic lighting.
    The details are in the foreground. However, I have completely left out elements of scenery that would clutter the image such as overhead electrical/telephone lines.

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    Very nice work. I live in Queens, NY. Looks like the 7 train.

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    Default The 7 Train.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Team DTO View Post
    Very nice work. I live in Queens, NY. Looks like the 7 train.
    Or the Astoria line, or the J train, or the A on Liberty Ave.....

    I believe it is said that art is most successful if each viewer sees a bit of themselves in the image.

    As intended, this was always much more of an art project than a representation of specific detail.

    Notice all the locations are non specific such as 'Queens Station' or 'DINER.'

    Thank you for the comment.

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    "There used to be a (?) scale huge NYC diorama on the old World Fairs site, nearby old Shea Stadium and Citi field. Don't know if it still exists."
    Jim

    Still very much in existence. It is at the Queens Museum, Google 'Panorama of the City of New York.'


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    I routinely collect NYC elevated / subway books just for historic reference and visual enjoyment. I have not seen a lot of N scale equipment that is NYC suitable.

    As this layout was begun prior to the internet age, QUEENS NY IN OLD PHOTOGRAPHS and NEW YORK CITY THEN AND NOW were by favorite desktop references.

    In 'modern times' my references were Forgotten-NY.com and NYCSubway.org

    Of course, walking/driving around NYC on the weekends with my wife and children (and working there for 20 years) had influence as well.


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    My secret pipe dream is a 1950's oval of NYC style transportation, subway, elevated, trolley and bus...

    That's what winters are for. Please absolutely build what you dream of.

    I am sitting at a computer desk right now made from 24 by 48 laminated pine from Home Depot, fastened to the wall with decorative angle irons (shelf brackets.)

    The desk does not even touch the floor, very elegant and very simple. Cost $50 to build.

    It could also hold an entire world in N-Scale.

    If you need advice, sources, hints, tips....

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    Welcome to the fold!

    So many questions for you.

    Have you heard about the cars from Island Model Works?
    They sell resin and 3D printed cars on their website and Shapeways.

    There are other Shapeways designers as well. IHP is another one, who has also sold a lot of resin transit equipment as well. For power, chassis from TomyTec/Tomix, GreenMax, Modemo, Kato and others are used.
    Just like the prototype, we source a most of our stuff from overseas.

    While the photoetched cars are expensive and rare, and the resin and RP(Shapeways) bodies need paint, decals, trucks, wheels, power and assembly, did you know that you could fill your storage yards with these...
    https://www.buildyourownnewyork.com/IRT.html

    Did you scratchbuild the El structure or use Imagine That! parts?

    While this group is not NYC specific,
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/nscaletraction/info
    They are true traction modelers. Running under powered wire and third rail(very rare). Though few run powered third rail, Hal Reiger the founder of N-Cat did make a working trains.

    Because they supply both tracks and traction equipment this yahoo group is useful to know about,
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tomix/info
    Here is the open Tomix webpage, because they mostly sell to Japan this English website is chockfull of information,
    http://www.trainweb.org/tomix
    Tomix sells an incredible automation system for controlling multiple trains on DC. They also make moving buses and streettracks for streetcars. Walthers distributes the 1950/60s GMC buses and marked roads. The Wide Tram Tracks and Bus Track are designed to compliment each other. Faller moving trucks can run on the Tomix streets.

    While nobody mass produces NYC specific traction equipment. The Bachmann Brill and PCC are excellent fodder for building more prototypical designs. In the not too distant future both Tomix and Kato will be offering the larger windowed Prewar PCC.

    Here is a couple more related Yahoo Groups...
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...elers_SIG/info
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...ermodeler/info
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NYTransport/info
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...ERS_GROUP/info
    The number of Yahoo Groups is incredible. They get into just about every niche in modeling.

    Oh, by the way, as a published author, you are required to post more images than other members.

    There are a bunch of Master City Builders here. Follow their ways and your layout will be fantastic.
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    Thank you for the above post (and everyone for their posts as well).

    I have a pair of resin R12 cars on order, they are from Island Model Works, and I plan to paint them and attach them to a Tomix carriage.

    Knowing what I know now, and with what is available commercially, if I were starting a NYC layout today, I would have it depict the 1940s so I could use trolleys.

    However, I was lucky enough to realize that when the Images Replicas brass models were still available in the 1990s, I bought several sets.

    The Brightliner R32 is in the photo, the R46 will run in the subway.

    The EL structure is entirely scratch built from various dimensions of white plastic.

    OK, here is another photo...


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    While I haven't built a functioning L structure for my CTA cars yet, I did experiment with cut down HO Micro Engineering viaducts mixed with Evergreen and Plastruct truss girders. Because so many companies built the Chicago system, it can be easy to mix up the construction styles. Then came Imagine That! The cost of construction was pretty much the same.

    Yours looks great.
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    Fantastic.....
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