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    Default CB&Q Color?

    I think I asked this but am unable to find it if I did, anyway, I was wondering what paint color people used for the CB&Q F7 engines?

    It seems to be an "off white" or "cream" and cannot find it already made.

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    I thought most of those E and F units were silver. That's how they look in the photos I've seen of the 1:1 scale locos.

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    Apparently only a few were painted silver. The majority were whatever the color is shown in the pic.
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    Yeah, I went back and looked at some more and darned if most didn't look like they had a white base.

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    Per the BRHS website, the recommended color for a grayback is MF #165-16193 CB&Q Imitation Aluminum. There is a good discussion at https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/...59873201251904
    complete with photos taken under different lighting conditions. (Just don't go there if the idea of painting a GG1 in the Q F unit scheme causes discomfort).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhampton View Post
    Yeah, I went back and looked at some more and darned if most didn't look like they had a white base.
    It's news to me, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhampton View Post
    I thought most of those E and F units were silver. That's how they look in the photos I've seen of the 1:1 scale locos.
    Passenger units were generally painted to match the Budd passenger equipment. The CB&Q mostly used E-units for passenger trains ( at least the long distance named trains ).
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    Well, I've found everything from Imitation Aluminium to Reefer White, to Aged or Antique White to a combination of some or all of them. Evidently, no one seems to know the exact color other than it was a "white - maybe".

    One article I read and that specified Imitation Aluminium showed three pictures of an F7 painted with imitation aluminium and in three different lighting situations. One picture appeared very white, one appeared to be like in the picture I posted and the third appeared a more whitish/grey/yellow.

    What I do know is this Imitation Aluminium (Modelflex variety) looks like a pretty dark grey going by the paint swatch. Guess I might just try mixing some colors and see what I come up with.

    Oh, also contacted Kato and asked them what color they used. Be interesting to get their response, if they do respond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    Oh, also contacted Kato and asked them what color they used. Be interesting to get their response, if they do respond.
    Yeah, that's a long shot.

    What others have pointed out to me, and I have since found it to be true, is that when it comes to railroad colors, close enough is close enough.

    You can have two identical rail cars or engines sitting beside one another and they won't be the same color due to fading and weathering. And if your argument is that you want to be accurate and faithful to the original, then that is all the more reason for them to be inconsistent.

    Sometimes the "fresh off the line" color wasn't even consistent. So, close enough is close enough. If it looks good to you, then that's all that matters. I still try to get reasonably close to the original as a starting point, though. So I understand.
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    Daniel,

    Good and very valid points. I suppose what I am trying to do is as you do ... trying to get reasonably close to the same color without it looking completely wrong. I may have to adopt the close enough is good enough way of thinking when it comes to engine colors.
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    I found this link http://www.burlingtonroute.org/Qrail...g/painting.php Now to try and match the color.
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    Yep, have been to that site and taken a look at what they list. Imitation Aluminium seems to be the color that is recommended and I am not disputing that.

    What I am saying is the color that Kato uses to paint their F3/7 CB&Q engines seems to be a particular color. It is that color I am trying to replicate. The Modelflex Imitation Aluminium (the recommended color) seems to be a darkish grey that, when compared to the actual Kato Model, is very different.

    So, I have been playing around with some colors and I "think" I have found something that is close to the color of the Kato model. A combination of "Reefer White", "Weathered Black" and "Armour Yellow". It looks close on my test piece of styrene but will only know once the B unit is painted and placed next to the Kato painted A unit.
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    Looks like Imitation Silver for passenger units...CP grey for freight units. Which are you painting?

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    nicki6,

    Ah, I'm not that prototype orientated so am using the same F3 A/B for potentially both but primarily freight.

    Have looked at the CP Grey as well and even that does not seem to match the color of the Kato factory painted engine either. The factory paint is more of a cream/beige looking color.

    Had I bought two undecorated engines, I would have gone with the Imitation Aluminium or one of the other suggested colors. Would have made things much easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobile One View Post
    Sometimes the "fresh off the line" color wasn't even consistent.
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    I can relate to that very well. I am very much involved with Flight Sim and painting aircraft for it. All too often there are "discussions" relating to the "correct color" for a particular livery.

    I am not overly perturbed about what the "actual color" of CB&Q is, I'm more interested in trying to replicate the Kato factory color. Is that color accurate? I don't have a clue and aren't all that concerned if it isn't, I'd just like my A and B units to match, or come as close to matching, color wise as possible.
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    I think I have "stumbled across" a pretty close color match for the Kato color made up of the following:

    1/3 oz Reefer White
    3 drops of weathered black
    3 drops of engine black
    24 drops of armour yellow

    I'll see how it looks on the B unit compared to A unit before I say it IS close though.
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    Well, I contacted Kato and asked them what the color was they used and this was their reply:

    ...I’m afraid I cannot. The paints used by our factory are not off-the-shelf paints but custom mixes and dyes...

    Kind of makes it hard to paint an undecorated model and make it compatible with a Kato paint job.
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    And ... I give up. What looked good in the bottle and on my test piece of styrene was nothing like the kato color. Think I'll just buy one already painted
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    If you were going to paint and decal one anyway, you could just paint and decal two. Then they will be the same. Then you could sell the Kato shell.
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