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    Default Removing White Glue Loads

    Ugh... what a pain this was...

    Anyway, just wanted to post to suggest that folks line their cars with Saran Wrap or something if they are going to make custom loads made from white glue + something.

    I thought it was just gonna be a bit of soaking in water and that white glue was going to dissolve like nobody's business. Well 10 days later after constant soaking and several instances of scraping wet sand out of a rapid discharge hopper with a dental pick or small screwdriver and I finally have a relatively clean (if somewhat scratched up) hopper. It probably still needs a final scrub with a little brush and some warm soapy water. The other ones are keeping their sand / ballast loads.

    I read online that you can also use warm vinegar but I was afraid that would mess with the paint on the hopper so stuck with water. Maybe there are some other tricks that I did not know. Anyway, here is a pic of one hopper w/o load and the other with (consider it a before and after).

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    What'd you do that for? Now you just gotta load it up again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    What'd you do that for? Now you just gotta load it up again!
    Haha... these were my first Ortner hoppers so I wanted to see what the inside looked like...

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    You only have to hold it in place.
    No reason to make concrete with all that glue.
    That's way overkill, it makes it a PITA to remove.
    Looks like you got most of it off.

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    I know this is going to sound ridiculous but I read some where ages ago that spraying the inside of the hopper (or anything you want to make a load for) with "PAM", that non stick spray stuff, will let you fill the hopper with what ever, spray the load with white glue and it wont stick (????) to the PAM stuff so it can be easily removed when the glue dries. All that would be needed would be to clean off the PAM

    As said, I only read that some where a while ago and have not tried it so can't genuinely say if it will or wont work.
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    Perhaps cutting a bit of blue foam to fit, and create your load of whatever on top of that? Keeps the weight down, too, I presume. Giving this some thought, one could press the top of the hopper onto the foam to get an outline, and cut it out. Lay a piece of plastic wrap over the hopper, press in the foam, then pour in your aggregate. When the glue dries, pull it out, remove the plastic wrap, and set the foam back in. One could even shape the foam a bit to conserve raw materials.

    But don't take my word for it! I'm a passenger service guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by el Gato Gordo View Post
    Perhaps cutting a bit of blue foam to fit, and create your load of whatever on top of that? Keeps the weight down, too, I presume. Giving this some thought, one could press the top of the hopper onto the foam to get an outline, and cut it out. Lay a piece of plastic wrap over the hopper, press in the foam, then pour in your aggregate. When the glue dries, pull it out, remove the plastic wrap, and set the foam back in. One could even shape the foam a bit to conserve raw materials.

    But don't take my word for it! I'm a passenger service guy!
    Yeah - I was thinking if I was going to do this I might try lining the car w/ Saran Wrap (for these Ortners I would remove the center supports), putting some ball bearings or other weight at bottom to give stability, filling in with foam beads or broken up packing peanuts, then laying a top layer of sand and dousing the whole thing with glue. Anyway, not sure if anyone has ever tried the Saran wrap thing but seems like it would work...

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    grease or vasoline coated hopper sides will do the trick too. no glue will stick to either of those.

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    Yep people have written about plastic wrap as a base to protect hopper -- http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/102465.aspx

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    Tin foil, or aluminium foil, also works as a base and think would conform (and hold) its shape better than plastic wrap. I used tin foil as a base when creating lift out sections on my HO layout and ended up with an "almost" invisible seem.
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    I've read that there is a difference between Elmer's School Glue and Elmer's Glue All, both White glues. The story was that School Glue is meant to be Water Soluble where the Glue All is only water clean up. Once Glue All has dried it doesn't break down in water as fast.

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