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    Default Broadway Limited H2A 3 bay hoppers without the loads?

    I run unit train coal hoppers without the loads, filling them with coal at the loaders and then dumping them. Although many manufacturers have hoppers that have removable loads, in many cases the loads hide ugly car weights that can't be removed without scarring the car. Can someone tell me what BL's hoppers look like without the coal loads, and if there are weights inside then can they be removed?

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    I can't say for sure but would imagine they would look like any other coal hopper without it's load. Removing the weight wont do the car any justice either and I wouldn't do it. To be brutally honest, the weights are there for a reason.

    If the only reason to remove was for appearances then you'd be far better of making up some 1/16 thick (or thinner) false floors to sit on top of the weights.
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    @wombat457, thanks for your opinion but do you have any of the hoppers?
    It's sometimes hard to state when we post whether we are talking from actual experience or just repeating what we've read.

    By way of explanation for why I want what I want,
    cars that are properly weighted when empty are overweight when loaded. For example I have E&C shops bathtub gons that are grossly underweight empty; a strong wind could blow them over. Loaded with coal however they are spot on the NRMA RP weight (not surprising when you think about it). I also have Deluxe Innovation gons with non-removable weights that are grossly overweight on their trips from the mines back to the dumper. I prefer dragging 24 E&C cars over the 15 Deluxe Innovation cars than I can haul with the same engine on the trip to the dumper. And no, I'm not a fan of MUing small trains.

    Although "gotta be RP weight" and "truck mounted couplers cause derails" are repeated over and over, in actual practice I have had no issues with my underweight, MTL-truck-coupled (horrors!) E&C shops cars over the past 10 years.
    Unless one has a special case layout like mine where you load and unload cars, NMRA weight RPs should be followed. But
    IMO anyone contemplating solving actual derail problems by converting to body-mounted couplers might do well to first check their trackwork, particularly for flatness and tangency at joints (which I've never seen anyone emphasize) and gauge. It is possible that fixing such track issues will solve the problem for much less time and expense.

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    I had for awhile some E&C shops bathtubs . I thought they looked good inside the hopper with no load . IIRC , they had the bracing in them . They ran well for me , but i was only pulling them empty , and about 14 cars was what i had
    As to your question , i have no idea about the BLI cars , never seen one inside

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    Nope, I don't have any but it doesn't take much common sense to realise the weights are there for a reason. That being said if you did remove the weights (whatever they were) then filled the hoppers with an equivalent weight of "simulated coal" then I don't see a problem.

    If you didn't like the appearance of the cars without their "tops" and wanted to run them empty just cover the weights with a false floor. When you wanted to run them loaded, remove the false floor and the weights.
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    The poor guy just wants to know what the cars look like inside when empty!

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    "simulated coal"
    Hey, simulated shmimulated. Real anthracite, real loading and unloading. Rather than a thousand words here's a 3-minute video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmBQ4As_mc

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    That's awesome! I bet that took a bit of time to design and get it working?
    Turned out pretty dang good! Thanks for sharing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen H. View Post
    That's awesome! I bet that took a bit of time to design and get it working?
    Turned out pretty dang good! Thanks for sharing!
    Thanks! Once I figured out how to make a gate that didn't jam I built the flood loader and its been reliable from the get go.

    The dumper OTOH is my 4th "back to the drawing board" attempt. Finally made progress once I gave up on puny gear motors and went with something capable of crushing a hopper car if something goes wrong. If I had known how to choose a stepper motor I might have gone the Arduino route on it instead of the SPDT limit switch arrangement.

    Some day I'll make a video of the other loader and dumper too; it features a kickback track.

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    I cannot find a picture. This is what Broadway Limited says
    http://www.broadway-limited.com/3653...g6-packbn.aspx

    "Industry-Leading Features: Beautifully Detailed and Accurately Modeled
    Precision Paint, Color, and Lettering Schemes
    Many Separately Applied Details
    Detailed Bay Interiors
    Realistic Removable Coal Loads
    Composition: ABS
    Couplers: (2) Operating MicroTrains #1015 or Compatible
    Compatible Tracks: Code 55, 70, and 80 Rail
    Minimum Operating Radius: 9.75 in"

    You could try a set, but their Return Policy does not accept direct returns from re-sellers i.e. no E-bay - so if you can find a set look to that vendor's return policy.

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    I'm eyeballing a set of 6 on eBay (no returns) for use on the old style loader/dumper combo. Can't find any reviews beyond what's on Spookshow's site either. Makes me wonder how many of these were actually produced.

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    Sorry I didn't get to this sooner; I saw the thread at work then forgot to photograph one of my H2As when I got home. Anyways, here you go; it's hard to make out rivet details on a black body in shadow, though I did adjust the contrast and levels on this image. The stock load doesn't add much weight at all, they have a nice low center of gravity.
    hopper6385.jpg

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    Thanks @WP&P, and thanks for going the extra mile and taking a picture. No ugly car weights is what I'm looking for; time to bid.

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    I won the cars on ebay at a good price and the cars arrived today.
    Just for the record in case someone interested in the cars finds this thread, some
    quick comments.

    The hoppers are weighted although no weights are visible top or bottom. 0.8 ounces with load, 0.7 without. At 2 3/4 inches the NMRA standard is about 0.91 ounces.
    The loads come out easily, perfect for those that want to load/unload using the magnet method.
    No dates are on the cars.
    The 70 ton design is from the '50s.
    CSX bought NYC in 1998, but the hoppers have conspicuity stripes which AFAIK dates them to 2005 or later.
    They have what appear to be mtl 1016 couplers and metal wheels. Fortunately for magnetic uncoupler users like me the wheels are non-magnetic.
    Detail is superb, definitely a couple steps above my usual Atlas Trainman hoppers. Not only do they look good empty, the undersides are highly detailed so they'll look great in the dumper. Even the stirrups are impressive.
    IMG_7100.jpg

    Overall I'm glad I got them. Have not seen yet how well they will work in the dumper, which is optimized for the longer Atlas 90 ton cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NtheBasement View Post
    Hey, simulated shmimulated. Real anthracite, real loading and unloading.
    Well, if that just isn't too cool for words!
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