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    Default Steam era Canadian Pacific rolling stock

    I'm trying to create a mixt freight train for my CP Mallet to push !! Although the prototype only existed until 1916, the period I'm modeling is the early fifties around the 'spiral tunnels'

    So, the questions are:
    What 'N' rolling stock is available to make up such a train ?
    Would it have been strictly CP rolling stock or can I mix in others ?
    What year did the script CP lettering come in ?
    Would passenger and freight have been mixed ?

    For starters I already have these three cars:
    IMG_7709 (2).jpg

    I also have these three but don't know if they ever went through the spiral tunnels ?
    IMG_7705 (2).jpg

    Thanks for any help.

    Tom

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    @tomcook

    Moose no know, but wondering if the Canadian Pacific Railroad Society might be helpful if no one here knows. Just a moose thought...
    ~ Moose (Co-founder of the Mt. Tahoma & Pacific Railroad, located some where in the Pacific Northwest)

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    The Canadian Pacific Railway Historical Society has the a relatively complete set of ORER and CP Generated Equipment Lists that include all rolling stock and motive power in its Library under Roster
    the Home Page is at
    http://www.cptracks.ca/index.html
    Registration is required but it is free.

    Some examples include:
    1950 ORER - Freight
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen...eight_orer.pdf
    1958 ORER - Freight
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen...eight_orer.PDF

    The 1947 CP Equipment List (all rolling stock and motive power)
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen..._equipment.pdf
    The 1950 CP Equipment List
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen..._Equipment.pdf
    The 1952 CP Equipment List
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen..._Equipment.pdf
    The 1955 CP Equipment List
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen..._equipment.pdf
    The following Passenger car lists
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen...ger_oropte.PDF
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen...ger_oropte.pdf
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen...ger_oropte.pdf
    http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Equipmen...ger_oropte.pdf

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    As to N Scale cars see @Spookshow site
    http://www.spookshow.net/freight/freight.html
    http://www.spookshow.net/passenger/passenger.php

    One thing to keep in mind is that grain was transported in boxcars in Canada even up to the early 1980's - these were originally 36' Fowler Boxcars with some 33,000 built between 1896 to 1914, they operated IRRC up to the 1970s - others were standard 40' wood / steel sided boxcars.
    see:
    https://www.trha.ca/freightcars.html#cp188625
    http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrain...x_cars_SUF.htm
    Central Hobbies in Vancouver has Gooderheim resin kits for an N scale Fowler boxcar
    http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/ggood.html
    and Kaslo Shops does as well
    http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/kasloshops.html

    Another unique aspect is cattle cars - they would be sterilized with lime wash after every trip leading to white bands along the bottom!

    There is a listing a Exporail of historical bulletins
    https://www.exporail.org/can_rail/
    A history of the Historical Society to 2007can be found at:
    https://www.exporail.org/can_rail/Ca...no521_2007.pdf

    Other sites include:
    http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/di...ay.pl?o=cprail

    As to the Logo see:
    https://www.cpr.ca/en/about-cp-site/...he-CP-logo.pdf

    Some good information on livery is at:
    http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars/paint-schemes

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    Generally speaking mixed freight was not common on western lines at the time - although long eastbound passenger trains were broken up in Revelstoke and run in sections that could include freight behind the express baggage cars (in the summer) or at the end in the winter (to maintain the steam heating for passenger cars) and while the early era saw open observation cars at the end, by the 1950's IIRC a freight caboose would be tacked on.

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    Generally speaking CP freight trains ran Canadian rail cars in the 1950s - although they interchanged with some US railroads, including the subsidiary Soo Lines, Northern Pacific etc.

    Canadian Pacific passenger cars were home made (no Pullman) although there were American Banner Express Tour Passenger Trains that stopped at Lake Louise to take American tourists through the National Parks, these Tours origination in Chicago by way of the Soo Lines crossing the Canadian Border at North Portal Saskatchewan and going to Vancouver and down to the west coast of the United States that would have include several colourful passenger cars from US railroads (per: Floyd Yeats, Canadian Pacific's Bill Hill (Calgary: British North America Railway Modelers, 2001) at page 49.

    As to the cars from the Toronto Hamilton Buffalo Railway it is possible but unlikely that they went through the Spiral Tunnels but remember Rule 1 - it is your railway!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toront...uffalo_Railway

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    You have more than excelled in helping me. The above links represent a large chunk of your time that I am really grateful for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scotian_Huntress View Post
    Some good information on livery is at:
    This was very clear and helpful. I see the script littering was introduced just as steam disappeared. Petty, as the majority of CP rolling stock on ebay is of this type The earlier liveries tend to sell for lots more $ and without exception, silly overseas shipping.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scotian_Huntress View Post
    could include freight behind the express baggage cars
    A few box cars in between the baggage car and coaches ?


    Quote Originally Posted by Scotian_Huntress View Post
    Generally speaking CP freight trains ran Canadian rail cars in the 1950s - although they interchanged with some US railroads, including the subsidiary Soo Lines, Northern Pacific etc.
    Ow, boring But does that mean a few NP box cars would have found there way into a train ?


    Quote Originally Posted by Scotian_Huntress View Post
    Floyd Yeats, Canadian Pacific's Bill Hill
    Is this book worth buying ? as I can't find it cheaper than $32. inc shipping. If you think it's a decent book I'll 'go for it'


    [QUOTE=Scotian_Huntress;554239]As to the cars from the Toronto Hamilton Buffalo Railway it is possible but unlikely that they went through the Spiral Tunnels but remember Rule 1 - it is your railway![/QUO

    I just thought it would be nice to have one correct train for 'The Mallet' to play with

    Thanks again,

    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcook View Post
    s this book worth buying ? as I can't find it cheaper than $32. inc shipping. If you think it's a decent book I'll 'go for it'
    Not really it is a 50 page staple bound back and white picture book with brief captions. I bought my copy used. Perhaps you could borrow in on an inter-library loan .

    Northern Pacific was a competitor they attempted to encroach into Canadian Pacific territory in southern BC and interchanged there.

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    Well @Scotian_Huntress has certainly provided you with a wealth of helpful information & resources, but as mentioned Rule #1 applies. Personally I don't think the 'too new' script logo will look all that out of place, especially mixed in with the stacked block letter and some 'Spans the World' heralds, so run them if you like them. I seriously doubt Huntress, myself, or anyone on here is gonna be critical of your choices!

    As for the TH&B boxcars I agree that very few probably ever made it out west (that said, I've seen TH&B gondolas in Calgary, albeit probably 20 years ago). My 'issue' with the ones you have is they have the Canada Centennial logo on them, so a bit too new. But its N scale so who will really notice? And that Ti-cat inspired paint scheme looks pretty good, eh? Again, Rule #1

    Just my two pennies

    K
    The Northern Alberta Railways, once the 3rd largest railway in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riderfan View Post
    Well @Scotian_Huntress has certainly provided you with a wealth of helpful information & resources, but as mentioned Rule #1 applies. Personally I don't think the 'too new' script logo will look all that out of place, especially mixed in with the stacked block letter and some 'Spans the World' heralds, so run them if you like them. I seriously doubt Huntress, myself, or anyone on here is gonna be critical of your choices!
    Hi Riderfan,
    Thanks loads for your input. Mr. Huntress certainly excald himself there
    99% of the rolling stock I run is non prototypical, but as I'm putting so much effort into building my CP Mallet and getting it just right. I thought it would be nice to have one 'correct' train to run with it (had it not been modified out of recognition in 1916 that is!!) If I bend reality too far I will lose the feeling I'm trying to capture. The money saved by not buying the aforementioned book has already bought me another car

    Thanks for the info on the TH&B box cars. I didn't know that they were too modern. That definitely rules them out. Shame as they are rather nice looking and they were bought 'in ignorance' for this project.

    Thanks again for helping me get on the right track !
    Thanks, Tom

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