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    Default Kato Broadway Limited car melted and burned.

    not sure where this should go. if it should be posted else where let me know or move it.
    this is a heads-up.

    I put a lighting kit in the observation car when these were released.
    It is used to light the drumhead.

    I was testing my new to me atlantic and after a few tries to get the loco going
    It didn't. I went to add yet another loco, that one went... quite quickly.
    and I backed the loco to where it started and hand pulled the passenger cars to me... and saw a trail of smoke...
    yanked my prize car off the rails...

    To state I was dismayed is well past an understatement.
    I have many broken bits of kato passenger cars in a small bin.

    One day I may find all the bits.

    it did destroy the circuit board and If it had not been in an enclosed car
    where where air was not available it would have been a complete fire.

    that board should not have failed.

    I often let trains run when I am not in the room...
    go out and plan to be back shortly. ...
    so Kato's circuit boards are off my list of trusted electronics.

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    Victor,

    Was this an incandescent bulb lighting kit or the newer LED one?

    I've heard of the Incandescent one's melting roofs in the past.

    The only time I have seen damage like you describe this was when the car was causing a short that wasn't handled by the circuit breaker. (And I've never personally seen it happen on DCC, though I am sure it is possible).

    I did buy a Kato Broadway Limited BM70M off e-bay that had a melted truck... and the person I bought it from had replaced one axle with an intermountain axle. The way that intermountain axle hit the contact strips caused
    a short when the car was placed on the rails. Luckily, I had a spare truck already (since Kato doesn't have any spares...).

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    the light is an LED.
    the circuit board for lighting the drumhead is what failed.
    the short circuit was on the lighting board.

    This failure can happen on DCC as well as DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victor miranda View Post
    I often let trains run when I am not in the room...
    go out and plan to be back shortly. ...
    so Kato's circuit boards are off my list of trusted electronics.
    Wow, that's spooky, the thought of our pleasure being our demise. Sorry to hear of your prize car but happy you caught it in time. Thanks for the warning, I will think twice before leaving anything with a circuit board in it running before leaving the room !!
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    If I recall correctly, I believe that John Allen’s famous Gorre and Daphetid went up in flames after he died when some of his friends ran a last operating session and forgot to turn some power switch off afterwards. Even 12V can heat things up pretty fast.
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    Have you reported this to Kato? If not, it might be worth your time and who knows, maybe they will replace the car for you.
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    ... report to kato...

    To whom would you report it?

    To be clear ... a report won't solve any of my problems.
    my anger and frustration for the observation car being destroyed.
    the absolute rage I felt, that was the cause of my destruction of the other two cars in the train.

    A replacement would only be a reminder of what happened.

    How can I trust a kato car lighting circuit now?

    I get to build my own circuits with at least some safety devices in place.
    and the last problem not solved;
    I am not going to bother with a fight to get them to accept they have a lot of boards to replace...
    mine is not the only one.

    nope. I feel little need to let Kato know they have made a circuit board with what I consider a major flaw.
    If they are concerned they will see, notice, and ask me about it.

    You can let them know.

    The only reason I posted at all was to let the few people I know who may be affected
    to be careful when operating it.

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    I bet you're angry, hurt, and in a real way...grieving. But I encourage you to call or email Kato... give them the chance to make it right. Let us know how you make out. I sincerely wish you the best and hope Kato does right by you.
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    Hi Victor,

    As it's 'safety' related I would urge you to drop them a message. If you word it in a nice and helpful (diplomatic) way and suggest what they could do to solve the problem they 'might' go so far as to send you a replacement ? If you write the most understanding non aggressive and constructive message you can and you receive a non helpful reply then you will have a very strong leg to stand on and can count on support. The really hard bit is to be more than reasonable in an unjust situation. Not easy. You could, if you wish, try posting a draft letter here for suggestions to help make it as constructive as possible as we all have a vested interest in the outcome.

    Go for it. All the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcook View Post
    Hi Victor,

    As it's 'safety' related I would urge you to drop them a message. If you word it in a nice and helpful (diplomatic) way and suggest what they could do to solve the problem they 'might' go so far as to send you a replacement ? If you write the most understanding non aggressive and constructive message you can and you receive a non helpful reply then you will have a very strong leg to stand on and can count on support. The really hard bit is to be more than reasonable in an unjust situation. Not easy. You could, if you wish, try posting a draft letter here for suggestions to help make it as constructive as possible as we all have a vested interest in the outcome.

    Go for it. All the best.
    well put.
    and I considered...
    and pretty much everything I won't deal with is in the two posts that brace your post.

    I did make the mistake of forgetting that being considerate to others is taken as
    a hallmark for weakness and a green-light for adding to the misery.

    I must have better things to do with my days than finding the grace to
    tolerate such benighted souls.

    victor


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    All, I think this thread is getting a little testy.

    The discussion is now over.
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    Just for context ( because someone asked about it ) there were originally two posts on this thread before and after @tomcook’s last message that were removed due to a rules violation. These are the posts victor refers to in his last message.
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