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    After a few false starts, which mainly had to do do with not being able to permanently set up a layout - I'm now happy with the plan attached. My son and I wanted a couple of routes, sidings, and short industry lines to fit in a slightly L shaped approximately 11' by 3' space. We both enjoy layouts that have lots of scenery and running trains through said scenery.

    The redline round the outside of the layout is all at one elevation, the blue inner mountain line that snakes above the redline in places towards the back of the layout is a maximum grade of 4%. The tightest radius on the left hand side of the mountain line is a 13.5" radius.

    Track shown in black is planned as tunnelled area with scenery above planned to be removable for cleaning and access.

    The back of the layout - near the mountain area will be up against a beautiful sandstone wall.

    I hope to transfer this plan in pencil to the three sheets of ply that I have to help visualise what the full size will look like.

    The numbers next to points are just for my reference and ordering points.

    I plan on using Peco Code 80 track and points on cork underlay.

    Happy to take comments and suggestions. Is this too much trackage for the size?

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    Really nice layout!

    Only comment I have is, when you are leaving the lower spur lines going to the right, you have no access to the "inside" line.
    I personally would add a crossover to the right of 5LH Curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DG&H MRRinN View Post
    Really nice layout!

    Only comment I have is, when you are leaving the lower spur lines going to the right, you have no access to the "inside" line.
    I personally would add a crossover to the right of 5LH Curve.

    Otherwise, SWEET!
    Thanks - that's a great idea. Appreciate it.
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    Looks like a lot of fun.
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    I, too, like this layout. You probably should move your #3 RH turnout a bit away from the bridge. With it partially on the bridge it will be difficult to throw the points or install a point motor. Just an inch or two off the bridge should be sufficient. This would also prevent cars from scraping the bridge as they turn right.
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    Looks like a great track plan. I agree with both suggestions above. The only addition you might consider is to add more yard space. The one regret I have on my own layout design is not enough tracks to use (1) as staging, even if not hidden; and (2) as you acquire more rolling stock, a nice place to display your cars. Looks like you could add at least another track at the front of the layout. You could even extend the front plywood a bit and add several parallel tracks. That would allow double end yard tracks, always an advantage. Or, you could add an additional track or two parallel to the spur arising from switch 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danb View Post
    Or, you could add an additional track or two parallel to the spur arising from switch 8.
    I also was looking at that. And, depending on what you are planning to do in that service area would dictate if that would look good or not.
    Personally, I think it might add TOO much track, and take away from the 'feel' of the layout.


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    You could even extend the front plywood a bit and add several parallel tracks. That would allow double end yard tracks
    This is a nice idea... If you have the room (and reach) to extend this way. My concern is just the reach... If I read it right, you are at a 33" reach to the back. For me, my arms are not long enough to get that far. lol If you will have access to the back side, that is totally different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DG&H MRRinN View Post
    For me, my arms are not long enough to get that far.
    Ah, now you'll have the Reach Police on him! : D

    But yes, 30 inches is about the max for a typical human.

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    Thanks to all for the input.

    Today I penciled out the layout on some ply and sized up how it would go along the sandstone wall in the garage. I changed the track a little to reflect how it feels / looks full size. The mods below show pretty how much the penciled up layout looks. I have shortened the layout a bit around a foot less length and got rid of the slight L on the front right corner.

    I don't want to add any more track as I think doing so will be a bit cramped and I like the scenery aspects of it.

    I'll be using a cookie cutter approach on this. The river will be the lowest level. The main redline, yard, and two little industry lines in the mid bit of the layout (timber mill to the left, small mine to right) will all be on the one level. The blue inner mountain line will use a grade of 4%. The timber mill and small mine will have to utilise a circuit of the mountain line to switch to the red main line. I looked at another cross over to the right of the front of the layout but it was too messy and too close to the start of the grade change for the mountain line.

    Re the reach at the back. Yes the layout spans 33". I would agree it's a big reach and I hope to tend to trains in the yards at the middle and front. The back of the layout runs along the garage wall so I wanted to make that a scenic run with no points at all. I can get to the tunnelled section via removable foam scenery.

    More tomorrow with hopefully some photos of the layout benchwork.

    Couple of questions -
    1- The cant angle for the large curves at either end of the layout. The inner blue line is a 13" radius, the outer red line 15" radius.
    So wondering what cant angle the track should be?

    2- What is the best way to get the curves to cant? I was thinking of cutting the upper supports for the grade of the mountain line to the correct angle? Thoughts ideas on this please and also for the red main line?


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    Hi John,

    Check out the information at the website below.

    http://www.rgwrail.com/SuperElev.pdf

    This is the process I used for adding Superelevation to my track. It is really easy and quick to do.
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    Warren
    fantastic article - wow easy fast and sensible.
    Thanks very much.
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    I used the rather elastic driveway patch material. For single track I cut a notch in a plastic putty knife the shape of the cross section of the maximum bank. With the curve drawn in pencil on the plywood, I spread the goop roughly where the track would be laid. Then I used the notched putty knife to shape the superelevation. The knife is held flat at the beginning and gradually raised to vertical in the middle, then slowly lowered to flat as you exit the curve. This gives a gradual entrance and exit to the banked curve. When dry lay your subroadbed and track.

    I run trains at a scale 320 kph/200 mph around an 11 inch radius with no derailments or any other problems.
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    Benchwork progressed today. Very happy how it's coming along. Great father / son project.
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    Track has been ordered. Very happy. I plan on using insulfrog Peco points and ground throws. I have had powered electrofrog points and points controllers before and they were a PITA. I wanting to keep this layout as simple as possible. I have test run our locos through insulfrog points and they seem to all work without shuddering.
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    I have all Peco insulfrog turnouts on the main deck of my layout. Rarely have any problems. I do occasionally need to clean the contact area between the points and the rails. I use Tortoise switch machines to control all these turnouts, after first removing the spring from the turnout.
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