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    Default Kato C&NW 400 train with Pullman Bi-levels

    So far only mentioned on Facebook, but I imagine it'll show up on their website sooner or later.

    "Today, Kato USA announces it's first newest "mini-named train" set...the N Scale Chicago & North Western 400 Train 6-Unit Bookcase set! This set is ideal for collectors and C&NW enthusiasts, who can use the train as-is to model their favorite C&NW 400 Train, like the Flambeau 400, or can simplify the train down to replicate commuter service!

    This bookcase set will include an EMD E8 C&NW locomotive, along with 5 newly-tooled C&NW Pullman Bi-Level cars! This set will be available in Analog (available November 2019), as well as DCC and DCC w/ Sound (available December 2019)."

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    Great news if it includes the false-roof dining car!

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    That would be a cool car to have a model of for sure. There isn't one among the body style variation drawings on facebook unfortunately, hopefully that's not an exhaustive list.

    Unfortunately it looks like it won't be included. The train will only have a coach-buffet. Maybe we'll get the single-level diner in an add on set in the future if this set sells well.

    http://www.katousa.com/N/400/index.html

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    Hopefully the mention of "illuminated preprinted numberboards" on the locomotives is just a copy and paste error.

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    Some of the cars are also being offered in Metra paint. http://www.katousa.com/N/Bi-Level/index.html

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    Ooo, pretty. Too bad I don't do CNW
    Did someone say whitcomb?

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    Not exactly the "400" train I would have hoped for, but I'm sure I'll get a set anyway. Here's the web page - https://www.katousa.com/N/400/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by railohio View Post
    Hopefully the mention of "illuminated preprinted numberboards" on the locomotives is just a copy and paste error.
    Sorry, how come?

    -Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwwojcik View Post
    Unfortunately it looks like it won't be included. The train will only have a coach-buffet. Maybe we'll get the single-level diner in an add on set in the future if this set sells well.
    Are you talking about the cars that were rebuilt with false roofs? Those are pretty interesting cars. I am especially drawn to the RPO-Baggage-Tap Lounges ( 7600,7601 ). (7602 is also interesting, but it lost the RPO when the false roof was added... )

    The set has a bi-level parlor car, 6400. From the prototype photos, I don’t see much external difference between the 700-709 series of coaches and 6400. ( I am only looking at Chicago & North Western Passenger Train Equipment by Patrick Dorin, so there may be differences... )

    What I find interesting is the inclusion of the cab car... I can tell from the books I have if the cab cars were used in anything other than commuter trains.

    These cars are similar to the Con-Cor smooth sided bi-level coaches, but differ from the wheels of time commuter coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    Sorry, how come?

    -Mark
    CNW's E8s didn't have number boards.



    Quote Originally Posted by pbender View Post
    Are you talking about the cars that were rebuilt with false roofs? Those are pretty interesting cars. I am especially drawn to the RPO-Tap Lounge ( 7601 ). (7602 is also interesting, but it lost the RPO when the false roof was added... )

    The set has a bi-level parlor car, 6400. From the prototype photos, I don’t see much external difference between the 700-709 series of coaches and 6400. ( I am only looking at Chicago & North Western Passenger Train Equipment by Patrick Dorin, so there may be differences... )

    What I find interesting is the inclusion of the cab car... I can tell from the books I have if the cab cars were used in anything other than commuter trains.

    These cars are similar to the Con-Cor smooth sided bi-level coaches, but differ from the wheels of time commuter coaches.
    Kato mentioned in their Facebook post that they designed this set with the intention that you could cut the consist down to represent a commuter train instead of a 400 train if you preferred. I suppose that's what the cab car is there for. The coach-parlor and coach-buffet cars also blend in with normal coaches a lot better than the false-roof cars, so you could more easily represent a commuter train without cutting down the consist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwwojcik View Post
    CNW's E8s didn't have number boards.

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/68/16/03/6...69f896e6c3.jpg
    That wasn’t universally true:

    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...spx?id=2577914

    As with anything, photos of specific units should be examined before modeling that unit.

    Kato mentioned in their Facebook post that they designed this set with the intention that you could cut the consist down to represent a commuter train instead of a 400 train if you preferred. I suppose that's what the cab car is there for. The coach-parlor and coach-buffet cars also blend in with normal coaches a lot better than the false-roof cars, so you could more easily represent a commuter train without cutting down the consist.
    Personally, if I were to buy this, the intercity train is more interesting.

    And the false roof cars add to the interest of the train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbender View Post
    That wasn’t universally true:

    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...spx?id=2577914

    As with anything, photos of specific units should be examined before modeling that unit.
    I can understand why they wouldn't want to mess around with the existing E8 shell tooling, but maybe they should've picked different numbers for this release. The pictures I'm seeing of 5022A and 5022B show locos without numberboards.

    -Mark
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    I'm far from an expert on the CNW but after browsing rrpicturearchives I get the impression that all of CNW's E8s built to order lacked number boards. Only a few units that were acquired secondhand in the 1970s had them, and even then most of those had their number boards plated over. I don't think it makes sense to include a unit in a 400 set that started working on the railroad a year before Amtrak started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookshow View Post
    I can understand why they wouldn't want to mess around with the existing E8 shell tooling, but maybe they should've been picked different numbers for this release. The pictures I'm seeing off 5022A and 5022B show locos without numberboards.
    Agreed, and I see the same thing for the previously released 5021A and 5021B.

    This is one case where the original Kato E8 shell, without the lighted number boards, is actually a better representation ( except those shells have dynamic brakes... )
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwwojcik View Post
    Some of the cars are also being offered in Metra paint. http://www.katousa.com/N/Bi-Level/index.html
    I was thinking about repainting my Arnold C&NW bi-levels smoothsides to Metra paint... now I won't have to!
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    I hope they do RTA as well, like they did back in the day in HO scale. I'd buy a set with cars in RTA paint and a matching F40PH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by railohio View Post
    Great news if it includes the false-roof dining car!
    There's always this one, http://www.skytopmodels.com/bileveldiner.html

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    I'm going to be repainting to Rock Island. Hopefully Kato doesn't introduce them before I get the decals made for them.

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    My grandpa used to ride the 400 from South Beaver Dam to Minneapolis for business. That would have been in the 40's and 50's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike the BN Freak View Post
    Thanks for the reminder on this one, Ike!

    But don't miss the ordering link!
    http://www.skytopmodels.com/ordering.html
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