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    Quote Originally Posted by WP&P View Post
    This site does have Sale/Trade sections. A thought that occurred to me is that often we have members who are getting rid of extras they no longer need, in a sort of "garage sale" fashion. What if it were feasible to essentially donate items in that the proceeds (aside from shipping) go to the site instead of the seller, as an option? Some folks might even get a kick out of scratch building something for the fun of it (maybe they really enjoy making custom buildings, or hand-laid turnouts, or somebody has a 3D printer and doesn't actually need a hundred copies of some small detail item that are in the source file), and just make things for the sole purpose of giving them away via this site.
    That sounds like it could be fun. I remember when our local PBS station would do an annual Telethon auction to fund its programming. One year my parents bid on and won a painting that had been donated that we had hanging on our wall for years.

    I was going to suggest calling it a webathon if we did something like that but it seems that's already been coined.
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    Bryan

    Ah yes, I now remember speaking with MicroTrains about a Special Run car. As you stated the upfront costs were several thousand dollars. The price point would have been well north of $40 each for a small run. But the biggest problem was getting a concensus on Era, Type of Car, color, Markings, etc. Those that model steam had no interest in modern or transition, etc etc. Some wanted box cars, others tankers. And so the decal idea came about.

    Great commentary so far....a lot to consider.
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    Does this site have a "donate" button somewhere?

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    I've got!

    Most of us know a buddy or two who models in HO. Let's say you ask to borrow a car or two, or a even locomotive "because I'm thinking of changing scales and want to get a good feel for HO."

    A few months pass by, and said buddy forgets all about the stuff. You then sell it on the evil water-inlet auction site for big bucks and donate the proceeds to Nscale.net.

    Easy-peasy. Those HOers have way too much stuff anyway.

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    By gum, Paul, Moose think you might have something there...

    Now, who to "borrow" from... Bwaaaaaa (insert evil moose laugh here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Schmidt View Post
    Easy-peasy. Those HOers have way too much stuff anyway.
    That's some Outside-The-Boxcar thinking right there.
    However, you may not have considered some unintended consequences.
    By adopting this approach, you would cause there to be more sales of HO merchandise relative to N, which would serve to reinforce the manufacturer's predilection towards catering to that market.

    And, how good would it feel for our N site to be beholden to the sales of HO junk, even if tangentially?

    The obvious solution, then, is to "borrow" the HO junk, subject it to our patented 54% shrink-ray device (the details of which have yet to be figured out, but hey, our moderators are smart folks), and then re-sell it as N scale! Then, even if the stooge who loaned out the HO starts to get wise, they won't find their models on eBay, because they won't be looking in the right scale category, and of course market researchers see more N sales relative to HO.

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    How funny would it be if said buddy bought back his own stuff on the evil water-inlet site "because I always wanted one of those in HO."

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    On the UK equivalent of this site, ads were agreed upon as a source of revenue, they mostly come from smaller companies who don't have the massive budgets but still want to reach a wider audience and it has worked very well.

    Looking at this site, at the top of the page is the nscale.net header image, next to that could be a frame of equivalent size which would rotate (on page load) through the various advertisers with a built in hyperlink to take you to the page. It would be fairly unobtrusive, not slow down page loading and not only would it open up the market to smaller companies, it would also make members aware of products and suppliers they were not aware of. Please see attached image. Companies sign up to a 12 month deal and many sign on year on year.

    I say go for it, it can work, with a bit of effort, if you target the right companies, don't expect Kato USA to chuck $$ at you, but you can always ask :-) It's all about selling the forum.
    As for a donate button, you may find the same guys donating every month and the rest freeloading, so going with ads is fairer to all.
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    short and simple. you need some funds.
    count up how many users you think are on this site
    and I am assuming you have an idea of what amount you would like to see

    add a donate ( I hate paypal buuuuut....) button.
    and state if all our users donate 5 a year, yadda yadda.

    that is likely the most effective and simplest path.

    please skip the advertising?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose2013 View Post
    Bwaaaaaa (insert evil moose laugh here)
    Is that what all that racket was???
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    I agree with the comments on anonymous donations . If you adopt the donation idea , i really think it has to be anonymous . It would be a shame to have anyone feel they have to or look bad for not doing it . Some people cant afford much , some dont use paypal or any other way of making that payment . Im sure we can all agree we want a equal feeling of membership here no matter what . Any other feeling could drive away current members and discourage new members . I really dont like term "freeloading" . Membership here should not be a pay for play IMHO . Im pretty sure the more active members will choose to donate , but the less active or ocasional members probably wont . I 100% dont blame them for that . Why would they ?
    This is all good conversation and ideas , you will have lots to consider . How you will sort it all out is going to make some people happy and some not so much , thats why i like the idea of anonymous donation over ads . It wouldnt change the forum as i see it .

    Just a opinion

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    I agree with Steve - if you want to use the term "free loading" then everyone has been free loading off of the admins/owners for 16 years and I am certain that the admins would not consider the members as "free loaders" or any other derogatory term.

    One of the reasons (not with standing the commitment and dedication of the admins) that these forums are the very best available is because of the attitudes of the members. We all come from a variety of backgrounds, cultures and financial means yet all of those things are irrelevant when it comes to our mutual respect for one another, the hobby and the forums.

    That being said, I can appreciate how some one being acknowledged for their "donation/support" may impact on the feelings of those unable to financially support the forums. As such, I would like to amend my suggestion making all and any donations purely anonymous as ones financial means should not be seen as a commitment to these forums.
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    I do like the idea of us members supporting the site.

    We could have an "upstanding citizen membership" annual fee of, say $10 for those frequent users that have contributed in excess of 25 comments, or have started 5 new threads, but have managed to stay out of trouble.
    For those of us that always seem to end up in the threads where Bryan shows up with big binoculars and says "I'm watching"... we have to pay $20. If you have ever offered the final comment prior to a thread being locked - $30 for you.
    If you have been a member for less than 6 months, and have started more than 35 threads in that time, you might have to pay more.

    Everyone else can contribute as they see fit, including nothing, and the forum will be funded forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwh70 View Post
    I do like the idea of us members supporting the site.

    We could have an "upstanding citizen membership" annual fee of, say $10 for those frequent users that have contributed in excess of 25 comments, or have started 5 new threads, but have managed to stay out of trouble.
    For those of us that always seem to end up in the threads where Bryan shows up with big binoculars and says "I'm watching"... we have to pay $20. If you have ever offered the final comment prior to a thread being locked - $30 for you.
    If you have been a member for less than 6 months, and have started more than 35 threads in that time, you might have to pay more.

    Everyone else can contribute as they see fit, including nothing, and the forum will be funded forever.
    Damm , my membership fee will be in excess of $200 per year

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    Steve,

    I don't even want to start "trying" to add up what it might cost me per year as well. Heck Moose (and others) would have to sell their layouts and mortgage their homes me thinks. One small "indiscretion", that came to the attention of Bryan, could cost you $50 for ONE thread ...

    I'd kinda hate to be the person assigned the responsibility of keeping track of who did what, when or how as well.
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    I think the more photos you post, and hence the less opportunity to subject yourself to a @Moose2013 stampedin', the lower your annual donation could be.

    But hey, donating to this site would be a privilege, I think, especially given what I get back in return. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwh70 View Post
    For those of us that always seem to end up in the threads where Bryan shows up with big binoculars and says "I'm watching"... we have to pay $20.
    Wait a minute, I could fall into that category!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Schmidt View Post
    I think the more photos you post, and hence the less opportunity to subject yourself to a @Moose2013 stampedin', the lower your annual donation could be.
    Yessir, but gettin the Moose's dander up would be well worth a few extra bucks a month!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen H. View Post
    Yessir, but gettin the Moose's dander up would be well worth a few extra bucks a month!
    Easy for you to say! It drives up home-owner's insurance rates here in Washington. I know, I asked PEMCO, my carrier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen H. View Post
    Yessir, but gettin the Moose's dander up would be well worth a few extra bucks a month!
    What ?? Moose has dander?? Is that all this whitish stuff on the floor??.....and why is it moving??
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    Dag'gum'it! Moose keep accidentally hitting the "thanks" button while looking for the "block this butt head" button ... Arrrggg! Moose need stiff drink, and then, off to stampede you all!


    Or just have the stiff drink ... A martini would go well with Moose's alfalfa & sauerkraut salad, perhaps with some whats-this-here-sauce drizzled on top... Emmm, yummy!
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