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    Yes, I recognized your restraint there!
    Cheers!
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    Since we're on the topic of newcomers, tools for the hobby are always important. Wondering if a sticky list might be appropriate?

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    Sticky list would be cool.
    What about basic tools and then upgraded/ advanced tools?
    For example. Basic weller soldering iron. Then a Hakko or Pace rig.

    Just food for thought.
    Wyt

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    I'll put together something for the entire forum to consider. We'll get a consensus, then present it to the moderators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen H. View Post
    I'm going to disagree with you.
    If the shoe fits......

    That is part of the problem with the world today.
    "Oh gosh, we don't want to offend anyone!"
    Sometimes a club is needed instead of a slap on the wrist to get the point across.
    Precisely ... say it the way it is and be done with it.

    All too often people ask for "feed back" and (on occasions) when they get that "feed back" they get bent out of shape because it isn't what they wanted to hear, what they expected to hear OR what they thought they deserved to hear. The answer to that dilemma is simple - "If you don't think your going to like the answer - don't ask the question to begin with".

    The relevance of that statement is this, as a new comer your going to have a lot of questions and your going to make a few mistakes as you learn - THAT is normal and to be expected, no one woke up one morning and automatically became a Model Railroad Expert. It is a learning curve and that curve can be a steep one or, it can be a gentle one depending on your approach to the hobby AND the advice given.

    People have said you need patience where the hobby is concerned, and that is undeniably true; however, you also need a fairly thick skin to be able to accept the criticism (constructive) that you will receive. DON"T take anything to heart when starting out - accept what is said as a way of guiding you and teaching you and helping you achieve the results that you envisage for your layout.

    Be patient, be tolerant and accepting of the advice given and you will succeed
    Cheers Tony

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    "It is easy to criticize ... a lot harder when you have to justify it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder62 View Post
    And they are built on actual pizza boxes!

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    Maybe it's just me, but we seem to really be over-complicating the give-and-take of basic (online) discussion related to the hobby.
    The concept of offering up some experienced advice related to the hobby is a great one. Seems we're spending more time talking about people who take or don't take advice than we are about the advice itself.

    Just the nature of the online world, I guess. I'm glad this is the only forum I read, never mind contribute(?) to. Everybody's banging away at their keyboards to an audience of... 3? 3,000? Hard to tell. I constantly have my social media/online filter on when I read.

    Here I am... offering my 2 cents on something that has nothing to do with the OP. I should be downstairs building something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwh70 View Post
    Seems we're spending more time talking about people who take or don't take advice than we are about the advice itself.
    And I think those posts are left as good examples of what "new people to the hobby" shouldn't do if they want to achieve their goals and succeed in the hobby. In an indirect way, they are advice and on point.
    Cheers Tony

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    Everybody reads everything differently

    My father had a saying..
    " you can satisfy some of people some of time, but you can not satisfy all the people all of the time"

    We are all different..lets just pull in one direction and we will get there sooner.

    Wyt

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    Discount advice you didn’t ask for.
    It's just noise.
    Try for yourself.
    You know, or will find out, what works best for you.

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    Some very good points made, I would say to also look to see if there is a MRR club in your area and hopefully in N Scale. This can be a great way for someone to learn about the hobby as well. Some folks may not enjoy reading a book no matter how interesting it may be but rather learn more from seeing someone do it. Just another 2 cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by donzi View Post
    Discount advice you didn’t ask for.
    It's just noise.
    Try for yourself.
    You know, or will find out, what works best for you.
    That pretty much covers it in a nut shell.

    Ask for suggestions and help with "generic things" and/or help fixing problems or doing something. Asking for "advice" with regards the "BEST something" is an exercise in futility and will only result in personal opinion and added frustration and confusion to you, the new guy.
    Cheers Tony

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    I think what's more funny than someone asking basic questions is that whenever someone online asks questions like, "What is the best manufacturer of N scale locomotives?" or "What is be best kind of N scale track?" or "What is the best DCC system?" or "What is the best method of cleaning track?" is that you'll always get 50 different people posting 500 different and conflicting answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroRedLn View Post
    I think what's more funny than someone asking basic questions is that whenever someone online asks questions like, "What is the best manufacturer of N scale locomotives?" or "What is be best kind of N scale track?" or "What is the best DCC system?" or "What is the best method of cleaning track?" is that you'll always get 50 different people posting 500 different and conflicting answers.
    It's curious, because looking back through old Model Railroader magazines from 40 years ago or more, I rarely see questions from readers prefaced with, "What's the best? ..."

    Rather, readers would describe a problem, very often using a "How" or "Where" question, and would seek for ideas to solve it. They seemed more patient and more open-minded, rather than racing for subjective superlatives.

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    I would echo those who advise starting small. Look at all that @OTFan has learned from his 23" x 45" layout, and how much fun he is having. And I, for one, am having fun following his build thread.

    Projects like these can also help focus your interest and give you a better idea of what you want to model, and how large a layout you can handle.
    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Schmidt View Post
    It's curious, because looking back through old Model Railroader magazines from 40 years ago or more, I rarely see questions from readers prefaced with, "What's the best? ..."

    Rather, readers would describe a problem, very often using a "How" or "Where" question, and would seek for ideas to solve it. They seemed more patient and more open-minded, rather than racing for subjective superlatives.
    True that magazines print those kinds of questions, but then again, magazines also have editors that filter out the subjective superlatives

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetroRedLn View Post
    True that magazines print those kinds of questions, but then again, magazines also have editors that filter out the subjective superlatives
    Yep, and probably interpolated the questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Schmidt View Post
    It's curious, because looking back through old Model Railroader magazines from 40 years ago or more, I rarely see questions from readers prefaced with, "What's the best? ..."
    Forty years ago the hobby was more craftsman-oriented and society as a whole was less fixated on quick fixes. We hadn't yet heard the terms "life hack" or "adulting." Unfortunately, trial and error is now a forgotten method. Model railroading is a journey and needs to be treated as such. If you want the quickest path to a completed layout, there are companies that can help -- for a price.

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