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    Da Mooses spent some quality time together which included making trees!

    Group photos:
    1_Recent_Trees_grp1_20200105_111033.jpg 2_Recent_Trees_grp2_20200105_111106.jpg

    The tree second from the right in the first photo was an older tree made from individual wee bits of furnace filter for branches, since modified with Woodland Scenics static grass.

    The tree at bottom left of the second photo died so no green foliage...

    This was an older tree made from furnace filter that didn't look good enough for the layout, so da Mooses used a combination of Woodland Scenics static grass and fine soil to get her looking more acceptable:
    3_FurnaceStaticGrassFineSoil_20200105_111048.jpg

    This fir tree was made from a combination of florist's wire for the main branches, bits of furnace filter material for the secondary branches, and Woodland Scenics 4 mm static grass & light & dark fine soils for the wee conifer needles:
    4_WireFurnaceStaticGrassFineSoil_20200105_111041.jpg

    This pine tree and made of the other's in the photos were made by Mrs Moose from florist's wire and Woodland Scenics static grass:
    5_WireStaticGrass_20200105_111126.jpg
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    The old tree that wasn't good enough is my favorite of the bunch.

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    I am curious how long each tree takes (or more specifically how long once used to it if trying to make them in batches). Over the next 10 years, I am going to need at least 20,000 trees on my layout. I am guessing about 2/3 will want to be evergreens, so that's at least 13,000 of them. So far I have been buying, but even the cheapest of the cheap run at least 0.30 per tree, usually more, and those tend to not look great (not really looking forward to spending $400-$500/year for lousy looking trees.) If I can find an efficient way to make decent looking trees for lower cost myself, that would be an option. Yours look awesome, so it got me thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edfhinton View Post
    I am curious how long each tree takes (or more specifically how long once used to it if trying to make them in batches).

    Da Mooses haven't made enough to answer your question directly and are still trying to figure out the best methods for making Fir & Pine trees.

    The Fir trees using furnace filter with 4 mm static grass and fine soil materials would be the best combination for quick & inexpensive yet decent looking trees.

    The Pine trees using florists' wire with 2 & 4 mm static grass takes a lot longer to make, partly because da Mooses use relatively hard wood dowels for the trunks which require hand drilling holes for every wire branch. If you use Balsa wood dowels then you should be able to insert the wire without having to pre-drill holes which would save a lot of time.

    Moose has not kept track of quantity of each material it takes to make the average tree, so Moose no know how much each tree costs.
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    I'm with Rook Moose, the "old tree (#3) looks excellent - they all good good, but for me #3 stands out

    My order for 500 is on it's way
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    My order for 500 is on it's way
    Yikes!


    Da Mooses better work on Mooses' methods of tree making and quick!
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    Moose make more (aka MMM)...

    1_FirTree_75ft_20200105_162015.jpg 2_FirTree_75ft_20200105_162206.jpg

    These are relatively small at 70-75 foot tall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edfhinton View Post
    I am curious how long each tree takes (or more specifically how long once used to it if trying to make them in batches). Over the next 10 years, I am going to need at least 20,000 trees on my layout. I am guessing about 2/3 will want to be evergreens, so that's at least 13,000 of them. So far I have been buying, but even the cheapest of the cheap run at least 0.30 per tree, usually more, and those tend to not look great (not really looking forward to spending $400-$500/year for lousy looking trees.) If I can find an efficient way to make decent looking trees for lower cost myself, that would be an option. Yours look awesome, so it got me thinking.
    You shouldn't have all your trees of the finest quality.

    Only have quality trees like the Mooses made, in the first couple rows, of any stand of trees or as featured items. When looking at any patch of trees, you only see details on the ones immediately in front of you. The further you look back the less treelike they look. Eventually it becomes just green. No discernible shape, just a color.

    When end making a deciduous forest, many people will eliminate tree trunks two or three rows back from the edge. They will support the canopy on plain toothpicks. A pine forest will degrade to nothing more than a sawtooth cut furnace filter. This lack of details also helps sell the idea of forced perspective.

    So 300,000 individuals trees are not needed. Yes, you'll need much more than you think. Just about 3,000 good ones. The rest just fake it.
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    Mooses know trees!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoNW View Post
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    Great trees Mooses!
    Don't want to hijack your thread but there is a more "easier" way to make - kind of- pinetrees inN scale:
    back to the good old bottle brush tree....but this time just one strand of wire and using a static apl. to shoot the fibers on the thin wire:
    I used first the 12 mm and than some 2 mm and finaly with a sieve/strainer the fine turf...8 minutes each.....
    the weather overhere is still that bad that I couldn't make any picture outside in sunlight yet . So only one made in the kitchen with my phone :
    Philipe USA sparren 2020klform mbbgroveden by Jos Geurts, on Flickr
    These kind of trees are mentioned to put close together to get the best "overaleffect".
    The all do have very thin /"sharp pointed" top of the trees . just like in real!
    the prototypes max. 2 1/2 inches: with a small tea spoon...
    vezeldennetje 2 by Jos Geurts, on Flickr

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotchpine View Post
    I used first the 12 mm and than some 2 mm and finaly with a sieve/strainer the fine turf...8 minutes each...
    Thank you for the compliments, good sir! ... ... ... Hmmm, 12 mm static grass with static applicator, then the short 2 mm. Excellent idea! Thank you!
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