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    Default Need advice: CPR 40' Flat Cars?

    Hey Guys,

    I am looking for passable models of 40' flat cars that I can use on my future CPR layout set in the late 30's early 40's. Preferably in Micro Trains or comparable quality. Does anyone know of any models that would fit?

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    If it's not on Mark's (@Spookshow here on the forum) encyclopdia, chances are it doesn't exist: http://spookshow.net/freight/freight...&Submit=Submit

    Hope this helps,
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    I think CPR followed North American practices for most freight equipment. This link shows some interesting log flats, fishbelly centresills with straight side sills. I'm sure they had the fishbelly side sill cars too..
    http://kettlevalleymodelrailway.blog...log-flats.html
    https://oppositethecity.files.wordpr...ives-photo.jpg
    http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrain...olling/two.htm

    Models are more difficult to come by, particularly 40' cars. I know Red Caboose did 40' flatcars a while ago but all I can currently find are Atlas 50' cars.
    https://www.walthers.com/trainman-r-...un-undecorated
    https://www.walthers.com/flatcar-cp-rail-421760


    And off the subject a bit, some passenger cars that'd look just dandy behind a Royal Hudson or two....
    http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrain...lling/four.htm
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    Intermountain did some 40' flats in kit form once upon a time. I bought a kit that I think included parts for 4 cars.

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    40' flat cars were a lot more common back in the early days of N scale. Frankly, I can't think of anyone who is still making them (not RTR anyway).

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    @Noah TurnerI use Atlas ? 40' flat cars painted and lettered with Black cat decals. I get the cars off Ebay for around $4. or less in job lots. The decals set me back about $6. Once in a blue moon Micro trains ? CP flat cars crop up on Ebay but the majority of sellers don't ship to Europe. Or if they do, it's $20.+ per car. You would fare better off in this respect.

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    Thanks for the help everyone!

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    You know, with all these 3D print people here, I'm kinda surprised no one's doing a 40' flatcar....
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    Look on Thingiverse if you have a 3d printer.

    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:434453

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    Can HO models be scaled down to N?? And there's the issue of those of us who don't have a printer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mosslake View Post
    Can HO models be scaled down to N?? And there's the issue of those of us who don't have a printer....
    Short answer is yes, at least with the Chitubox slicing software. Other slicers may allow scaling also.
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    Long answer: Scaling is the easy part.

    Then you need to find out which walls are too thin, which details are too small, whether to remove them entirely or how to change them. Software can help with that, but it mostly can't make the decisions for you.

    Of course that largely depends on the original model. A big square box (intermodal containers come to mind) doesn't have much to lose.

    Hope this helps,
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    As Micro trains make 50' flat cars would they stand in for these ? http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/g...00715main.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by sultanoslack View Post
    Look on Thingiverse if you have a 3d printer.

    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:434453
    Just for grins, I downloaded this model, resized it to approx. N scale (50%), and did a test print.

    Here are the issues I've found. I think most will apply to scaling HO models down to N (YMMV).

    1. The kingpin and truck mounting screw hole are too small. They would have to be enlarged to fit the appropriate trucks and mounting screw.

    2. The side frame is only 1mm +/- 0.4 mm. Not sure if this is really thick enough.

    3. The stake pockets are tiny. I can barely push a dupont connector through the hole. Approx 0.6mm.

    4. This model had provision for a body mounted coupler. The gap in the end-sill would have to be widened and the coupler screw mounting hole relocated.

    5. (Related to #4) The floor thickness may need to be increased to give the coupler mounting screw enough thread length.

    6. Any rivet (and also stake pocket) detail is lost.

    7. Also the stake pockets are super thin and would be very easily damaged.

    8. Even with the added weight of the wheelsets and couplers, this car is most likely to light to be a reliable runner. Some method of adding weight would have to be devised.

    Interesting note: After scaling the original model down 50%, the car length comes out to approx. 33.81 ft.
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