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    Default Looking at a new static grass applicator

    I'm looking for input on a new static grass applicator. Not particularly content with the one I've had for several years. Its mesh container is too large, making it cumbersome, and it's never had the "oomph" I'd hoped for, even with fresh batteries.

    Noch and Woodland Scenics seem to be good contenders. How about any others, and your experiences with any of them?

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    RTS Greenkeeper 35Kv , but probably not or really hard to get in the US. Most important thing is to get as much Kv as you can afford .

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    https://www.wwscenics.com/product-ca...s-applicators/ - there mini one is good for small scenes like trackside details. They sell larger ones too. My experience with the mini one has been superb. I think another issues is which grass is best. Some clump too much and some are to shiny. 2mm and 4mm seem best for N.
    Just another n-scaler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schedule22 View Post
    https://www.wwscenics.com/product-ca...s-applicators/ - there mini one is good for small scenes like trackside details. They sell larger ones too. My experience with the mini one has been superb. I think another issues is which grass is best. Some clump too much and some are to shiny. 2mm and 4mm seem best for N.
    Maybe I missed it but the most important information is missing , how many Kv .
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    @Janbouli

    Can you please explain the significance of the Kv for me, why a higher Kv is better? Oh and what the heck is a Kv?
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    Hard to understand at times but this video was very helpful and inspiring:

    Mark 3:00 to about 30:00 minutes. I tried to speed up or skip ahead but I missed too much.
    FWIW:
    F$%K = Flock
    Kilofote = kilovolt / kw
    Baje = Beige

    Took me a bit to understand but I am slow with accents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    @Janbouli

    Can you please explain the significance of the Kv for me, why a higher Kv is better? Oh and what the heck is a Kv?
    More KV Kilovolt , to put it simple , the grass shoots out faster and stronger , so it stands up much better.

    Oh , and Martin Welberg , a friend of mine was the person that lead me to the RTS GReenkeeper , he used it himself before he changed to Professional Flocking machines with even more KV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jugtown Modeler View Post
    Took me a bit to understand but I am slow with accents.
    Martin is trying his best to speak American-English , I think for a Dutchmen he's not doing bad . I must say he speaks like this in Dutch too , and he is that casual as he seems to be in the video. Great guy , hope this Covid is over real soon and I can meet him again at shows in the Netherlands.
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    Moose uses an Aussie Scenics applicator, which is no longer available, as Moose recalls ... It has worked well for Moose when Moose places aluminum foil underneath the area to which the grass is being applied, connecting the ground to the foil rather than a nail or similar metal item that is stuck into the glue mixture. Just Moose's two cents...
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    @Janbouli

    Thanks for the explanation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janbouli View Post
    Martin is trying his best to speak American-English
    No doubt. I did not intend to sound critical. Until he explains himself on the word beige, I just could not understand what he was saying.
    And I really thought he was letting F bombs drop for a second or so...
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    The WWS applicators and the Peco are the exact same , just branded differently . Just a FWIW
    I'm thinking on the WWS or Peco , which ever i can find in the future

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    Well Paul, you really woke everyone up with this post. With your experience in electronics I'm surprised you haven't just built one of your own. I made mine for less than $10. You can get a negative ion generator off flea-bay and a screen strainer from Cindy. I have a small 3 inch strainer and a 120 vac generator. I mounted the generator inside a short length of PVC pipe and jammed the strainer handle in there also. A mini toggle switch and extension cord from the dollar store with the end cut off come out of the end cap. It works great.
    If you want to go with a battery version, I read where a 9 volt replacement battery is better than factory. Personally I think the price of commercially available units are outrageous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Whiteman View Post
    With your experience in electronics I'm surprised you haven't just built one of your own.
    That thought has crossed my mind before, Michael. But it's been quite a while since I've needed to use an applicator for any appreciable amount of scenery building. So the idea of making an applicator just continually gets an "A Roundtoit" label. Maybe I'll give that a go. Luke Towan has a good tutorial, but your idea is simpler.

    I'm thinking a fine mesh 2" strainer will work as well.

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    I just bought a Woodland Scenics Static King. I use it with a 12v AC adaptor and not the 9v battery. Been applying static grass since this weekend on my hillsides. Been learning more and more about static grass application, especially how to handle it if the grass doesn't point the way you want it to (I lightly run the tops of the grass with the side of my thumb towards the direction I want it. It won't look 100% perfect, but neither does grass in the prototype world).

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    Go with Woodland Scenics. I originally got a Grass Tech tea strainer applicator which was... meh. Then a WWS precision applicator which is definitely more powerful but I have a hard time getting the grass out of it. It may be designed for shorter grass. Then I got a WS applicator which I am very happy with.

    Humidity makes a big difference - they all work better in our furnace-dried winter air. If you are covering a large area it would be worthwhile to turn down the humidistat on your furnace the day before and crank it back up when done.

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    This is a British test and keep in mind that the 35K RTS is in the 150 dollar price category unlike the 55K that is 250 dollars. I get the same results with the 35K

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    I watched many of Luke Towan's videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjR...74mTg1vrQ6uA5A, beware these videos can be very addictive, you've been warned!) - he seems to be a master. He has a 'build your own' tutorial as well as giving advice on some of the commercial offerings.

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    I’ve had the Noch for about 10 years and I’m still very happy with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janbouli View Post
    soon and I can meet him again at shows in the Netherlands.
    @Janbouli, I wonder whether there will be any shows in the Netherlands in the Spring of 2022? My wife and I had planned a Bike and Barge tour this Spring, but the pandemic postpones it until next year. If it would be possible to schedule a trip that could include tulips and a train show, that would be great!

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